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ToiletDuck 06-20-2009 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by CaptainNameless (Post 632477)
But we are dying much more slowly (a 7 year slow-death profitless CPA with 6 years to go!) whoo hooo! Just hope we can get a few more profitless CPAs. Nothing like being essentially a public utility for the majors.

Looks like someone gets it. Something at the company has to change. Currently still operating at a loss after closure of branded so something has to give. Lets hope it's not furloughs or a round two paycut.

JetBlast77 06-20-2009 09:15 PM


Originally Posted by ToiletDuck (Post 632478)
Looks like someone gets it. Something at the company has to change. Currently still operating at a loss after closure of branded so something has to give. Lets hope it's not furloughs or a round two paycut.


or that they don't get 190s and pay their pilots $37 an hour to fly them :confused:

AirWillie 06-21-2009 03:49 AM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 632433)
I just don't get why United would bring XJT on this summer for "overcapacity" when they have been cutting routes left and right. There has to be something else going on. Then again, what do I know.

The regulars can't do it that's why. TSA has contract problems, Skywest is busy elsewhere, Mesa is in deep S they don't even have people to staff their operation. I don't know anything about the shaniqua UAX flying but I do know they're getting axed later in the year. Xjet will have to do a whole lot of underbidding to get around the regulars, UA knows they can do the operation. If UA goes BK it will be like 911 again with a bunch more regional flying and less mainline flying.

JoeyMeatballs 06-21-2009 05:21 AM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 632502)
or that they don't get 190s and pay their pilots $37 an hour to fly them :confused:

no kidding, maybe TD should be more concerned about that rather than the future of XJT

JoeyMeatballs 06-21-2009 05:23 AM


Originally Posted by cybourg10 (Post 632454)
Every check airman and or union rep I have talked to said they do not expect more furloughs this fall. We will have more COLAs and plenty of RFLs in Sep and Oct but we may need every one for next spring/summer and a 6 month furlough doesn't help anyone. Remember last October and how we barely had any lines? The company also turned down the union's early out offer saying it doesn't make financial sense right now, we see that as a sign that no staffing changes are needed. Knock on wood.......

FWIW, I am the EWR Union Rep (F/O) and I am not so sure they are correct, call me if you want to discuss, phone numbers on our ALPA website


Also for all the brainiacs that rant and rave how the 50 seater is dead, looking back the past 5-10 years the strongest airlines inlcude CAL, AMR, and SWA how many 70 seat jest do you guys see flying for them? AMR has the tightest scope (other than CAL) for 51+ seat jets, look at DAL, USairways etc all the 70 seat jet feed in the world didnt help their balance sheet. You people thing 70 seat regional feed is the saving grace for majors, it really isnt

GoBlue 06-21-2009 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 632547)
FWIW, I am the EWR Union Rep (F/O) and I am not so sure they are correct, call me if you want to discuss, phone numbers on our ALPA website


Also for all the brainiacs that rant and rave how the 50 seater is dead, looking back the past 5-10 years the strongest airlines inlcude CAL, AMR, and SWA how many 70 seat jest do you guys see flying for them?

How many 50 seaters does Southwest have?

aussieflyboy 06-21-2009 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by Bloodhound (Post 632290)
Actually, I did mean XJT. In other words, CAL may be dropping 11,000 hours from their system, including CAL, XJT, Colgan, CHQ, etc. As opposed to dropping XJT's block hours by 11,000.

Sorry champ, my bad... I misunderstood you

LivinTheDream28 06-21-2009 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by GoBlue (Post 632758)
How many 50 seaters does Southwest have?

How many 70 seaters do they have? Thats the point he's trying to make dude.

ToiletDuck 06-21-2009 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by JetBlast77 (Post 632502)
or that they don't get 190s and pay their pilots $37 an hour to fly them :confused:

Is that a question? If it is I don't understand what you're asking. If it's not then it doesn't relate to anything I said.

ToiletDuck 06-21-2009 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs (Post 632546)
no kidding, maybe TD should be more concerned about that rather than the future of XJT

I'm plenty concerned about it. Start a thread on it and we can discuss it. I figured that an XJT thread would discuss XJT. I know the reality of the situations and when the time comes where I'm capable of making a difference, rather than being some internet armchair quarterback, I will. It's a little ironic that a person who runs around dissing another pilot group and their company left and right feels insulted when someone says XJT isn't in good financial health and needs a different strategy. I guess I could sink to the same level and start calling people "scabs" and "Cancers of the industry" as you have but I actually like talking about the topics made with a certain amount of sincerity since what affects one affects us all. This is a thread about XJT on a public forum. We're all free to talk about it and there's no reason we can't so long as we keep it professional. Stop crying all the time.


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