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Fly IFR 03-18-2011 09:34 AM

Expressjet Runway Overshoot
 
Glad everyone is ok. Hopefully they get to keep their jobs...

Plane veers off runway at Akron-Canton Airport - Yahoo! News

NoBeta 03-18-2011 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by Fly IFR (Post 966463)
Glad everyone is ok. Hopefully they get to keep their jobs...

Plane veers off runway at Akron-Canton Airport - Yahoo! News

That video looks great. It could have been a blazing fireball. Glad nobody was hurt.

goaround2000 03-18-2011 11:33 AM

It is believed to be a steering issue, or at least that's the rumor.

Unless there was willful non-compliance, they will be covered by ASAP under any and all circumstances.

motoboy 03-19-2011 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 966537)
It is believed to be a steering issue, or at least that's the rumor.

Unless there was willful non-compliance, they will be covered by ASAP under any and all circumstances.

That's also the word I'm hearing around the field, saw some ntsb jackets walking around when I got off this morning...

rickair7777 03-19-2011 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 966537)
It is believed to be a steering issue, or at least that's the rumor.

Unless there was willful non-compliance, they will be covered by ASAP under any and all circumstances.

As long as there is not enough damage to constitute an accident. I don't think ASAP covers accidents.

Also the FAA usually busts people for sterile cockpit in situations like this...sterile violations are consider willfull so no asap help there. Of course it's theoretically possible they were in 100% compliance with sterile...

meyers9163 03-19-2011 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 966537)
It is believed to be a steering issue, or at least that's the rumor.

Unless there was willful non-compliance, they will be covered by ASAP under any and all circumstances.

Sole source part of ASAP might be an issue? Not saying it would not be accepted because of this but many cases must be a sole source to be accepted......

BlueMoon 03-19-2011 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by meyers9163 (Post 966923)
Sole source part of ASAP might be an issue? Not saying it would not be accepted because of this but many cases must be a sole source to be accepted......

That sole source vs no sole source doesn't have anything to do with it being accepted or not. It has to do with what kind of action may be taken.

Example: A pilot busts an altitude. He files asap and also ATC files a deviation.
The FAA pursues enforcement action. ASAP report keeps you from getting ticket yanked and you get remedial training instead (or Administrative letter, etc.)

Acceptance criteria for ASAP:
1. Inadvertent
2. No criminal activity, drugs or alcohol
3. Submitted in a timely manner...generally 24hrs

goaround2000 03-19-2011 09:15 AM

Holy ASAP ignorance Batman!

As mentioned above, if the ASAP is submitted in a timely fashion (24 hours from the closing of the day), and there was not any willful noncompliance, the crew will be protected. It is the agreement we maintain with the FAA regarding certificate action and retraining; and it's the agreement we maintain with the company via our MOU for punitive action (please see unionized carriers with ASAP programs).

Nevets 03-19-2011 01:56 PM



Originally Posted by goaround2000 (Post 966537)
It is believed to be a steering issue, or at least that's the rumor.

Unless there was willful non-compliance, they will be covered by ASAP under any and all circumstances.

As long as there is not enough damage to constitute an accident. I don't think ASAP covers accidents.

Also the FAA usually busts people for sterile cockpit in situations like this...sterile violations are consider willfull so no asap help there. Of course it's theoretically possible they were in 100% compliance with sterile...
The XJT ASAP MOU does NOT disallow an ASAP report because of an accident.

Also, Sully didnt get busted for violating the sterile cockpit regulation. Just saying...


Sole source part of ASAP might be an issue? Not saying it would not be accepted because of this but many cases must be a sole source to be accepted......
The XJT ASAP MOU does NOT disallow a report because it's not sole source.


Holy ASAP ignorance Batman!

As mentioned above, if the ASAP is submitted in a timely fashion (24 hours from the closing of the day), and there was not any willful noncompliance, the crew will be protected. It is the agreement we maintain with the FAA regarding certificate action and retraining; and it's the agreement we maintain with the company via our MOU for punitive action (please see unionized carriers with ASAP programs).
Not all ASAPs are created equal. Especially when there is no NMB recognized bargaining agent to sign on behalf of the pilots. This is precisely why I suggest to everyone to read their ASAP MOU.

CptMrgn 03-19-2011 03:15 PM

Sully dead-sticked an Airbus with a dual engine failure into the Hudson without loss of life. Expressjet skidded off a runway. I don't think the FAA would extend the same courtesy to this crew. Glad everyone made it out ok.


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