What do you mean "think they are working under a concessionary contract?"

We ARE working under a concessionary contract, there is NO thinking we are what so ever.

Maybe you missed the part where XJT Pilots voted for the current concessionary pay scale to keep the company afloat 2 years ago? The current pay rates are not from Contract 2004...XJT and ASA pilots will be of like mind eventually, we just wonder how many times ASA guys need to get burned drinking the Kool-Aid before they clue-in.

Maybe you also missed basic business classes, because this merger wouldn't be happening (After being proposed TWICE) if SKW Inc didn't expect to make a killing on the deal by outsizing the competition, with Economies of Scale more than offsetting any increase in Pilot compensation.

I don't think 3 years is accurate. Last I heard, directly from the committee, late fall, like someone else mentioned (October) was given as a completion time for the JCBA.

Remember, it's voted on. If they present us with a turd, vote appropriately.

I'm not gonna speak for a whole group, but anything less than what we have now is a turd. If they wanna give us that, whatever. But I think it's safe to say that the XJT group (largest) isn't in the mood to take ANOTHER concession in any way shape or form.

Of course, management, as well as the MECs will use the standard scare tactics to try and get it through on the first go. Some of them have already started.

How do you guys think a vote would work? With express jet having a larger group I would think that each pilot group would vote on it and if it passed both groups then it would be approved.

Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the vote goes out to ALL pilots, not two separate groups of pilots.

Just looked through the TPA, and the way I read it, both MECs have to approve the JCBA individually, then a simple majority of the combined pilot group.

I keep hearing that tossed around, how XJT outnumbers ASA. And they do. But do numbers matter when something goes to mediation?

Read the post above yours. I just talked to my rep, maybe yours will tell you something different. There is NO pilot group A vote vs. pilot group B vote, hence NO mediation. At least for JCBA purposes.

Maybe SOC will be complete by the fall, like that stupid colorful brochure I got in the mail says it will. But I think that a JCBA, SLI, and a MOAB in the fall is a tad optimistic.

Sorry, I got in a hurry and oversimplified and used too few words. Yes, it's a concessionary contract.

The pre-concessionary ideal, however, simply isn't sustainable under ASA's business model. Apparently, it wasn't sustainable under XJet's business model either, which is why there had to be concessions in the first place.

My point is that since 66% of the labor group is stubbornly seems determined to hold out for an unrealistic, unsustainable ideal from '04, this isn't going anywhere fast and will likely wind up in mediation. In mediation, none of us will get as good a deal as we could negotiate for ourselves.