All understood....BEFORE I applied....cuz I do my homework....and know what I'm flying into.
so...no....I dont complain about that which I knowingly accept.
Nor do I attempt to tell others how they should "feel" about their choices or circumstances.
I merely suggest a more useful manner in which to address their concerns.
If its really that bad (for you)....quit threatening...and LEAVE.
Go be happy somewhere.
I'd rather scrape-by somewhere doing something I enjoy....than scrape-by somewhere being miserable.
Its not likely to change. There are as many threads in this forum complaining about how useless your unions are as how evil your management is. Everyone seems to be standing around pointing fingers at everyone else.
I am not naive enough to suggest that we all skip through the terminal waiving daiseys at the passengers and spreading sunshine everywhere we go. But its like a good movie....in order to give a damn about the charaters, there has to be ups AND downs if its all down down down down down down down down down down down down then you stop caring about the character and just want them to die and go the f- away already.
I'm truely not trying to flame anyone or prove a point.
But there are atleast 4 posts in seperate threads where someone very quietly poses the point: "Look at what we are doing to OURSELVES." but that voice is ALWAYS lost in the s_it-storm of recriminating polarization which accomplishes NOTHING.
I'm not a kid. I've had more diversity in my employment history than any of us have time for me to itemize. I'm not just pulling this stuff out of my a-- just to have something to say. And it is interesting to note that I have made a point in my personal life to befriend pilots with 5 different 121 carriers, 2x 135 carriers, and 2x 91 corporate operators.....I talk regularly with senior captians with international routes for Legacy airlines, and with low-time noobs like myself who are a step ahead of me in the process. None of these 17 people...NOT ONE....shares the negative tone that seems inescapable on this forum. I am a member on two other airline forums....Neither of those have the overwhelmingly negative tone that permiates this forum.
THIS thread started on a positive complimentary note. I made the mistake of commenting on the contrast between the positive tone of the OP and the pervasively negative tone of the vast majority of the rest of this forum. Essentially, I fell into the trap of complaining about the complainers.
My hypocrisy was brought to my attention, I recognized that I wss engaging in the very behavior I was hoping to reduce in others. And I stopped.
My philosophy has been, and remains: If you dont like it and cant change it...leave.
To that end, I wish you all the best and hope you can find happyness in whatever you do.
And if complaining is how you find happyness......so be it.

Yall be safe. And try to have some fun.

 

Mgmt looooooves guys like you. Hopefully you never end up on a negotiating committee. Good luck to ya.

 

I wish you the best in keeping that positivity, I truly do. 20 years ago I felt the same way. I've learned a lot over the past decades, and sadly what was promised me when I got into this business was not delivered. I've contemplated those events retrospectively and the lessons were not missed. Your answer, if I don't like my pension being stolen, millions lost in paycuts (while my management makes themselves multi-multi millionaires) is to quit. Why would I do that? I'm a professional pilot. I care about the pilots coming behind me (and that includes you). I'm not going to just pack up my toys and go home and leave this job in tatters for the next generation. 1) Because my family travels on airplanes, and their safety matters to me. 2) Because pilots before me stood up to the never ending crush of airline management to try to keep making this a job worth doing. I spent my whole life working to get where I am and you want me to just quit because some CEO who is going to be here 5 years before cashing his Golden Parachute makes my life difficult? I'm not a quitter. And I'm not going to get run over without a fight. Treat me well, and you'll get the same in return. Unfortunately, most airline managers don't want to see the value of that.

You obviously wanted to end this discussion, so why am I bothering to type this? (I'm asking myself that right now). . The reason is that you are the future, and it concerns me. Not that you want to be happy in this job: I think that's great. It's that you don't understand why so many people are UNhappy with this job. It's not that we are all just a bunch of whiners. It's because sadly, in this business, many managements will take advantage of your enthusiam and cut, cut, cut: you contract, your pay, your retirement, your pilot positions, and your time off.... Just because they can. They won't stop until they feel that they have reached the limit of what they can get out of you, and they know they've reached the limit that when the complaining gets SO loud that the operation falls apart.

Best of luck in your career. The next generation is counting on you to keep it safe and worth doing

 

Exactly and it's happening all over corporate America. They don't understand that happy employees will provide a superior customer service experience thereby making the company more successful and give the shareholders the return they desire.

 

This. This. This is what you're missing noob. I'm plenty happy in my day to day flying, but I'm not going to dance over rainbows telling people how good this job is when they're trying to illegally junior assign me into one of my contractual minimum days off. When you're an adult and a professional it's very irratating that we aren't treated as such. Everyone else has said it already but I'm going to say it too. Come live our lives for awhile and then tell me how much you love 121.

And for reference, I don't think a senior international legacy captain is probably going to have a point of view on how regional guys get treated....

 

One of the most mature, thoughtful posts I've read in quite awhile . Unfortunately, managements attitude can be summed up in that famous statement by a well known CEO, "I know I'm paying people too much when they keep showing up for work."