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freezingflyboy 11-08-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by TheBills (Post 1289463)
Funny, you guys talk about lucky line holders and such. At L-XJT we have a similar scenario that arises after lines are awarded. When our Line Improvement window opens, and you are flying and/or didn't click submit within 90 seconds of it opening, regardless of seniority, your pretty much stuck with your line. So essentially, someone that is 100 numbers junior, could have a better line with more days off etc. On top of that, we recently found out someone in our company created a computer program to submit multiple trades within nano seconds of the window opening. So, your lucky line holders at least are a result of the system, and not fraudulent computer programs. IMO, the only honest good thing we got going, is our vacation and our reserve sounds a tad better. Im very open minded about PBS recently.

Bear in mind this has only happened since the move to this SkedPlus and Rainmaker nonsense. I don't know what's so hard about it guys; if you absolutely need the ILIW to make your line better, you bid around it. Like anything else. There are plenty of trips where you can be at the hotel in plenty of time for you to have your hot little finger hovering over the submit button right when it opens.

I think we can all agree that our vacation is, hands down, one of the best parts of either contract. But you can kiss that goodbye with any new PBS (that includes vacation low guys).

unit monster 11-08-2012 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by SiShane (Post 1289690)
CRJ FO ATL 79
CRJ FO IAD 9
CR7 FO DTW 5
CRJ FO DFW 12


I GOT DFW! I'm pretty excited.

ATL -200 got 79 new bodies? Wasn't this last position notice a reduction? +1 on wishing they'd publish the award as a overall seat snapshot.

ja2c 11-08-2012 07:34 PM

I'm assuming 79 is a typo.

somertime32 11-08-2012 07:35 PM

I guess so many people left from the 200 to the 700 in ATL. It is looking like I made the wrong decision.....DOOH!!

Av8rking 11-08-2012 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by somertime32 (Post 1289717)
I guess so many people left from the 200 to the 700 in ATL. It is looking like I made the wrong decision.....DOOH!!

Where did you bid too? From my most recent calculations, the position notice shows about 340 FO's needed on the 50 in ATL. Currently, I believe, there are only about 280-290 after the mass exodus. That should mean there will be over 60 positions available in this seat! If this is true, I believe most new hires will be assigned ATL CRJ 200 FO! Am I crazy?

Vertisch 11-08-2012 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Av8rking (Post 1289728)
Where did you bid too? From my most recent calculations, the position notice shows about 340 FO's needed on the 50 in ATL. Currently, I believe, there are only about 280-290 after the mass exodus. That should mean there will be over 60 positions available in this seat! If this is true, I believe most new hires will be assigned ATL CRJ 200 FO! Am I crazy?

I came up with only about 236 left on the 200. I should have stayed.

somertime32 11-08-2012 08:18 PM

I went from the 200 ATL to 700 ATL. I was thinking that since they were going to reduce ATL by 30 on the 200 I would be back on reserve so I figured might as well do it on the 700. Plus each prelim they kept adding more and more 700 FOs.

Av8rking 11-08-2012 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by Vertisch (Post 1289732)
I came up with only about 236 left on the 200. I should have stayed.

Even better! (For me,sorry:() I noticed on the last pre-lim that the 700 was full, and the most vacated position was the 200 ATL FO. Assuming the position notice was correct (340 spots,) it means tons of 50 seat vacancies in ATL. If your number is accurate, that would leave 100 open positions on the 200. If this stands true, it is honestly upsetting how they run these vacancies.
By showing all positions during the pre-lims, they don't show the whole picture. These snap-shots do not include any new-hires. I have many class-mates that left the 200 for the 7-900 because the pre-lims showed them more senior in that position. That assumption is only based on currently hired and trained, available pilots and not on total positions available. If all was fair, the company should list the positions available (including new hire vacancies) on the pre-lims. It should also go without saying, the 7-900 will always be senior.

SiShane 11-08-2012 08:40 PM



Originally Posted by SiShane (Post 1289690)
CRJ FO ATL 79
CRJ FO IAD 9
CR7 FO DTW 5
CRJ FO DFW 12


I GOT DFW! I'm pretty excited.

SiShane, how many out of your class were awarded DFW?
There were 4 of us that wanted it and we all got it.

Av8rking 11-08-2012 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by somertime32 (Post 1289734)
I went from the 200 ATL to 700 ATL. I was thinking that since they were going to reduce ATL by 30 on the 200 I would be back on reserve so I figured might as well do it on the 700. Plus each prelim they kept adding more and more 700 FOs.

This is exactly what I was talking about. What wasn't mentioned during the pre-lims, was the overall seats available. If you had looked at the initial position notice, you would have seen they need 340 ATL 50 FO's. The last pre-lim only shows 294 of these seats assigned. Knowing new-hires are in the pipe, that would mean anyone on property now, would get at least 36 new hires behind them. I feel the company does us all a dis-service by not including open new-hire vacancies in the pre-lims.


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