Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 1230702)

That's just the point. The pilot isn't senior enough to hold a line. PBS is a giant pool of pairings. When it gets to said pilot's seniority it tries to build a schedule. Let's say there are 3 pairings remaining in the big giant pool that began with #1 pilot. If a pilot needs 4 four day trips to complete a schedule and only 3 pairings remain in the pool then he is assigned reserve. PBS moves to the next guy in line. Let's say this guy has vacation, bids vacation low, and only needs 2 four day trips to meet the credit threshold. There are 3 pairings remaining and PBS places two on his schedule and calls his schedule complete.

A junior pilot got a line while a more senior pilot got reserve. It's not globalization, it's not dishonoring seniority. The more senior pilot couldn't hold a line regardless if the next guy has vacation or not. If nobody junior to the original reserve pilot had vacation or preassigned credit then everyone junior would also be on reserve and the 3 remaining pairings would be in open time. I don't understand the mentality that says if I suffer then everybody junior must suffer with me. The pilot just wasn't senior enough to hold a line. Period.

Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 1230702)

That's just the point. The pilot isn't senior enough to hold a line. PBS is a giant pool of pairings. When it gets to said pilot's seniority it tries to build a schedule. Let's say there are 3 pairings remaining in the big giant pool that began with #1 pilot. If a pilot needs 4 four day trips to complete a schedule and only 3 pairings remain in the pool then he is assigned reserve. PBS moves to the next guy in line. Let's say this guy has vacation, bids vacation low, and only needs 2 four day trips to meet the credit threshold. There are 3 pairings remaining and PBS places two on his schedule and calls his schedule complete.

A junior pilot got a line while a more senior pilot got reserve. It's not globalization, it's not dishonoring seniority. The more senior pilot couldn't hold a line regardless if the next guy has vacation or not. If nobody junior to the original reserve pilot had vacation or preassigned credit then everyone junior would also be on reserve and the 3 remaining pairings would be in open time. I don't understand the mentality that says if I suffer then everybody junior must suffer with me. The pilot just wasn't senior enough to hold a line. Period.

Originally Posted by hemaybedid (Post 1230773)

Just want to clarify from my original post on this thread. I have been at the company for 4+ years. I originally stated 5th year as in longevity.



For some reason everyone for the last little bit has focused on vacation and junior pilots getting lines. Why the focus on vacation. Multiple other examples have already been listed. I am 25% seniority on the button in my domicile. In June I had a carryover high credit trip into the first few days of the month. Because of that trip I was not able to be awarded a four day the first few days of the month, therefore my schedule couldn't reach the threshold and I was awarded reserve. PBS moved on to the next junior pilot who had no previously assigned credit (training, vacation, or carryover). At that point it assigned them the four day I couldn't accept and the rest of what I would have had. Is that honoring seniority? It's my opinion that there should be some sort of transition period allowing everyone to have a blank slate and equal opportunity to hold a line as their seniority permits.

Originally Posted by hemaybedid (Post 1230773)

For some reason everyone for the last little bit has focused on vacation and junior pilots getting lines. Why the focus on vacation. Multiple other examples have already been listed. I am 25% seniority on the button in my domicile. In June I had a carryover high credit trip into the first few days of the month. Because of that trip I was not able to be awarded a four day the first few days of the month, therefore my schedule couldn't reach the threshold and I was awarded reserve. PBS moved on to the next junior pilot who had no previously assigned credit (training, vacation, or carryover). At that point it assigned them the four day I couldn't accept and the rest of what I would have had. Is that honoring seniority? It's my opinion that there should be some sort of transition period allowing everyone to have a blank slate and equal opportunity to hold a line as their seniority permits.

Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 1230812)

Yes. It is absolutely honoring seniority. You had a conflict the first week. Your preferences sorted remaining trips that did not conflict and those trips were not available to you when PBS got to you because they were previously awarded to a senior bidder. Therefore you were awarded reserve. Do you really think that everybody junior to you deserves reserve too because PBS couldn't award you a line according to your preferences? If their preferences and preassigned credit allowed a complete schedule then why shouldn't they have a line?

Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1230813)

Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.

Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...

Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1230813)

Because they are junior to you! Your contract language just sucks too much that it allows this to happen. The more senior person should get more days off in this scenario or both should be on reserve and the trips dropped in open time for more senior line holders to trade for.

Quit trying to defend your awful PBS. It isn't flying over here...

Originally Posted by atlmsl (Post 1230821)

No way. You guys don't like PBS? I haven't noticed. Perhaps you should talk about it more.

I'm not defending PBS. I personally don't care if we have it going forward or not. All I'm saying is that I think it's ridiculous to be upset about what happens to pilots junior to you. With our PBS there are numerous ways to bid. If the way you bid combined with conflicts and the pairings the company builds cannot award you a line then it's pretty simple: you're not getting a line. Every pilot's situation is different and PBS goes one pilot at a time. Putting a junior pilot on reserve instead of awarding a line still will not get you a line. Your schedule was completed before the system moved on. I know misery loves company but quit worrying about everyone else. The argument should be "there are pairings available and I wasn't able to hold them and going forward there should be a way for me to hold a line in this scenario" versus "the guy behind me got a line and I didn't!!!"