Frankly, the only thing that getting everyone ATP-eligible tells me is that they want to be in compliance with the law. I'm not sure how that's a harbinger of good things to come.

I know everyone is a little freaked out, but there is so much large-scale change coming it's hard not to worry/be excited/freak out some about it. Between the retirements, rest-rules, ATP law, new JCBA, SLI after that, Delta TA, United working on theirs.... I'm having a hard time figured out whether to be worried or excited.

The SLI has to be done after the JCBA per ALPA, at least that's what I have been told.

This is exactly the case, no official work done on the sli yet.

And the fact that no one is MAKING 50-seat RJ's anymore. At some point the airframes are going to time out or become so mx-cost prohibitive that they are not worth flying.

I mean, I guess if you went to Embraer or Canadair with a suitcase containing $4 billion in cash and demanded 200 new ERJ-145s or CRJ-200's, they would fire up the assembly lines again, but I don't think either company plans on making anything other than "large" RJ's for the immediate future.

So there will be a tipping point where regardless of all the contract talk, the 50-seaters are going to have to start to retire. Some are still young by airplane standards, but they get so many more cycles than larger aircraft you'd think they'd have to time out faster.

Exactly the point. By the time ANY airframes start moving, this will be a much different industry and company. Big changes are coming, good and bad.

Why would they care about everyone getting to 1500 hours if they were going to furlough all those junior FO's? For the rest that qualify, ya they need to get everyone legal. Still not hearing the level of standards at other companies that we're starting to implement. Guys are getting told to call XJT HR back when they get to 1000 hours while taking jobs at Piedmont (apparently PDT is not concerned about 2013?).

I figured this gem that Kilroy posted over on one of the DL TA threads needed to be repeated over here. :D



A kid can dream!

First it was Pinnacle getting the 717s rumor and a B scale now Expressjet... Every pilot group thinks they have something more special than the rest.

Like the special Olympics! Oh and per the union email, they're not done with the TA. Frankly, unless you're a 6.5 year f/o on the crj side or really junior on either list I don't see the rush! Three more years under the current contract would be fine.

<-----Really junior :(

In any case, all sick banks should be at ZERO. Period.

Real professional.

You guys are missing the whole point, there is nothing but good things about to come to our airline. The future is looking good for us. Once Delta votes
In their TA, life is going to be sweet at Expressjet. The regionals are now the new mainline.

I see what your doing

That's funny. When I open up the Delta bid packets for the DC9, MD88, A320, B737, and B757/767 I see a lot of domestic flying. ;)

UAL brings in more revenue from its united express flying than it does from its own domestic flying.

Difference is CAL/UAL use an rj where a 737 should go, and a 73 where a 75 should go, and so on.

Something else no one has mentioned is the terms of the cpa between CAL/UAL and the new XJT. You see folks, J.A. is anything but stupid, when Skywest inc. bought XJT, JA made sure that it would be a long term deal. The public documents released post the announcement of the merger indicate that if they (CAL/UAL) pull one 1 rj, it has to be replaced with something, on a 1 by 1 basis. So for those of you that like it simple:

Per the CPA:

UAL pulls one RJ from the XJT 145's

XJT gets 1 whatever (700, 900, 170, pick your poison).

So I ask again, my fellow embraer drivers at XJT; what's the rush? We're not losing any flying anytime soon, the crj guys are. Let the pieces fall where they may first, then we'll talk shop.

I thought it was a 1:2? ie, one 700/900 for 2 50's? Either way, I think we will be ok.

Nope, I'll try to find the link, but its a 1-1 replacement. Not worried about it.

Since our contracts are not a single list yet, if ASA needs to furlough will it come from the junior EMB guys?

I think you answered your own question. No SLI, no furloughs on the ERJ side, and so on.

I believe there is more to it than SLI. Were both ALPA. Thanks for leaving us out to dry though.

"Anytime soon"? If by "soon" you mean in 3 years? Im willing to bet we are SLI by then anyways. Any loss of flying from either side will affect us as a whole. The most junior guys get the boot, ERJ side or CRJ side. Not gonna matter what plane your on, just depends on who is at the bottom.

Nobody is getting furloughed from either side in the next 3 months, which is about as far out as anybody can predict anything in Aviation. So much can change in that time that any further predictions are conjecture or pure rectal extraction!

I'm sorry, but which side wanted to drag this on to keep their version of PBS?

I don't know anybody who wants to drag this out to keep PBS. Most people I know want a good, sustainable contract. The bidding method is really immaterial.

If the list's are not merged, the furloughs will come on the side with the aircraft loss. Period.

D U H

nice contribution.

This whole thing is turning into such a total crap show. I talk to pilots from both sides of the company and all I hear is "these guys are a bunch of babies" "these guys are dragging their feet" "have you ever talked to those guys? They're a bunch of chest thumpers or greedy bastards". Honestly though, when ever I ask someone have YOU ever actually interacted with someone from the other side of the group they say no. It's always, I heard it from this other guy in reccurrent who heard it from a flight attendant and so on.

We are all pilots with the same license flying the same passengers in the same sky. We all deserve the same no matter what company you work for. Honestly it appalls me how incredibly immature our union has been through all of this. If there is anyone that deserves a finger pointing it's the union. I have personally interacted with individuals that deal with contract negotiations and I don't even feel confident in their ability to fly an airplane never mind determine the fate of the worlds largest regional carrier.

Reading this garbage reminds me of a faint memory of 3rd grade. Two kids arguing over who's backpack is cooler.

Grow the F up. Get over it. Ohhh but you didn't buy us, But... but I swear we did, Hey guys on the ERJ side Do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT vote for anything, F those guys that fly a different airplane for the same company.

I feel embarrassed to say I work for this company after reading this s h i t.

Then leave. There's the door, since you're the epitome of maturity why don't you move on to a more "mature" environment in aviation (notice the irony in that sentence).

Here's what's going on though as I type this, our guys on ERJ are starting to realize why everyone is in a hurry to close this deal, and it doesn't bode well for us; so we'll just slow down for a bit and wait. If the Delta TA goes through, don't expect a TA to pass on our side unless there are significant job protections and QOL improvements. Not in a hurry, we have a good contract on the ERJ side. As far as I'm concerned we can just keep operating separately permanently!

Like all regionals, there are up's and down's. It's important to remember that when things are going well don't be so ignorant to think that you will never see hard times again.

No one is denying that, but the difference between some of us and the rest of you generation entitlement is that I don't expect other pilot groups to pay for my misfortunes. If the roles were reversed I would not expect the crj guys to pay for it if they can help it.

So the reality still stands, we'll know the results of the Delta TA, and vote accordingly, but if you think I'm going to turn my back on my brothers to save another pilot group, you're delusional!

I'm not sure who you're arguing with. I never said or hinted at anything you are ass-uming.

Not sure why you guys are getting your panties in a bunch over the Delta TA.

1. Nothing has passed yet.
2. Takes years for the RJs to leave, this isn't an overnight deal.

I beleive that after all this is said and done we will be at majors anyways. Unless you're a lifer and at that point your Fed anyways.

Aren't we supposed to ALL be brothers now, or your brothers are just the ones that fly the same plane as you? When do "the brotherhood" fences come down, in your estimation?

+1. Thank you. There are some people who will rant and rave based purely on speculation. Whenever our TA comes about, read it carefully and see if that is what you wanted and vote accordingly. Till then control the things you can and forget the rest.

Hahaha exactly what I was thinking.

My 4 year old just ran up and told me my 6year old hit him... and that is about the level of intelligence this thread has descended too.

ja2C was right, this is a quite moronic, third grade thread -- and I just have to say -- this is classic childhood, bully BS:

goaround2000Nothing personal, but that was true school-yard, bully badgering. Complete opposite of mature.

Here's a legit question: So, if the TA passes and we have no SLI, then would the 35% of Delta's DCI ALPA new hires will exclude that ERJ side (negating the need to kick and scream over SLI?) Curious, it's pretty clear which half of the list flies DCI. Ehhh, might be a better question for the Delta folks on here.

I'm most likely wrong but I'm guessing it only pertains to the company as a whole rather than which side that applicant flies for.