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Contract done in a couple weeks?

Lol... I've heard that before.:rolleyes:

Another bid coming out on the ERJ side tomorrow with 84 upgrades

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Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 1504689)

Another bid coming out on the ERJ side tomorrow with 84 upgrades

Another system bid? Any idea when the advance date would be?

Pardon me if I'm incorrect, but isn't the SLI REQUIRED to be done within 6 months of the signing of a new contract? i.e. if the contract was signed in January, then by July there would have to be an SLI? I believe that's in writing and agreed upon by both unions and the company. What's not agreed of course is the contents of the SLI, but merely the fact that it must be complete.

I, personally, along with many others who want bases from the other side of the company, would love to see no fences. I realize that's not beneficial for the company and training costs as well as some folks protecting their seats/bases.

I see your point about upgrade times not decreasing, but I also believe a lot of 2007 hires (myself hopefully included) will leave next year for new jobs. So if dents are being made by attrition as well as upgrades, it should move a little more quickly. I don't see us shrinking next year. long term who knows.

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Originally Posted by flyguy94 (Post 1504699)

Another system bid? Any idea when the advance date would be?

Check your company email. Advancement date of 3/1/14 with 3 upgrade classes in Dec and Jan.

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Originally Posted by spudskier (Post 1504832)

Everything regarding what you said about the SLI is true to the best of my knowledge. Although I agree with your hopes for no fences I think it is unlikely.

I disagree in terms of shrinking. I think they have to. The amount of pilots they will need to hire is too prohibitive to their operation. To put it in perspective, they are trying to hire about 80 a month right now, that's just shy of 1000. Couple that with the wishes of the majors to shed their 50 seat jets and trade 2:1 or 3:1 with better contracts. I See this starting to happen in large quantities after summer of 2014.

In term of attrition from the CRJ side, we haven't seen if Delta will hire much from the asa group as they used to in the past. We will have to see.

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Originally Posted by spudskier (Post 1504361)

Somewhere between now and never...

to be sincere, the latest upgrade is 01/07 I think, if not it was 12/06. That should decrease as 2014 progresses by quite a bit.

There were a ton of us hired in 2007, once they get through 2007 hires, upgrade time will decrease even more quickly

Trust me, most FOs are trying to upgrade but also have resumes out everywhere. First chance to get out, most of us will

I would have to disagree that upgrade will drop. About 300 pilots were hired in 2007. It's about 30 a month that we were hiring at then. So upgrades would have to be about 30 per month through all 2014. I highly doubt that. Further, I assume ASA and XJT will continue to shrink. This leads me to believe that upgrade times will actually get longer in 2014. Of course as soon as the 2007 hires upgrade then we will see a huge drop in upgrade times. One thing that could change this is the merger of the two groups. At the time when the merger was announced (date of first notification). The xjt side had significant furloughs. Alpa merger policy will likely yield a list based on relative seniority at that time. I find it likely that a large portion of ASA fo's will take the upgrades on both sides for a couple months. I'm not trying to flame, I truthfully believe that the best thing for this company is the combination of both pilot groups working together to make this place better. That said, in the most recent years the erj side has benefited disproportionately in terms of seniority gains.

One thing I do agree on is most of the FO's (including myself) have apps in everywhere.

The UAL/CAL integration gave UAL furloughs longevity credit and were integrated with active CAL pilots.

And the erj said hasn't gained anything disproportionately. It's just normal attrition. We seem to have less lifers.

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Originally Posted by cybourg10 (Post 1504438)

You don't think there will be fences to prevent senior CRJ FOs from holding ERJ CA spots right off the bat? The ERJ side will continue to have more attrition and more upgrades so fences will benefit the senior ERJ FOs. If there aren't any fences I would expect ATL to go even more senior than it already is. In all honesty there isn't much point in speculating because we are so far away from a single list although it can be a good time killer to predict. It is going to be 6 months minimum after a JCBA is ratified for a single list to come out.

There will be fences, just not for upgrades (my opinion). The contract could be done within a couple weeks. They are right there. The list timeline would be about 4 months after TA. All of this wont really matter because the middle of 2014 people will be jumping ship so fast no one will ever notice. I don't envision any situation where any pilot would be displaced. Either way, this should be a crazy year.

I don't think there should be any fences at all (my opinion).

We work for an airline that can't book a deadhead with two weeks notice. Everytime I need Atlanta to do something it is like leading a blind, retarded horse to water. This place is in the expresslane to bankruptcy!

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Originally Posted by newarkblows (Post 1505543)

You work for an airline that bought a failing airline with an inflated ego...Hindsight being 20/20 we should have just let ExpressJet fail.

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Originally Posted by JoeMerchant (Post 1505559)

You work for an airline that bought a failing airline with an inflated ego...Hindsight being 20/20 we should have just let ExpressJet fail.

You didn't buy anything SkyWest did. Maybe Skywest should have just let ASA go too back in the day.