Then you get pay protected? I don't know, that is just what I was told when I asked. It sucks but if the negotiators support that (and I'm told they do) a grievance would just be a waste of resources and time.

Then you get paid at the higher rate.

No one has learned from the failures before them. I'm basing my argument on facts. Your argument is based off a hunch & your opinion. Looks like only time will tell us who is correct.

Apples to oranges. Delta has been around 80+ years as their own airline. They have a passenger base & brand name established across the globe. They sell their own tickets, market their maintenance services, market their charter services, & market their cargo services. They have large corporate customers who bring in millions of dollars in revenue. They have many sources of income beyond their domestic revenue. Skywest has very little of these things.

WRT our domestic fleet, we have around only 16-19 DC9-50s left. Route planning has figured out the routes on which they make money. If it exceeds a certain stage length, the DC9 loses money. Our domestic fleet is profitable mainly because DAL owns many of the planes. Skywest would be making massive lease payments on their fleet of MRJs, & that would put a huge dent in any revenue they managed to make. As I said, only time will tell.

[QUOTE=Redbird611:1340310]Understood. Thanks for the info. I'll try to sweet talk someone in scheduling into switching me early. Worse they can say is no:D

The last 20 posts should be on this board and not the "pool" discussion.

Hiring suspended until further notice. No additional vacancy bid for 1st qtr 2013. Summer will be fun!

Source? Attrition is exponentially increasing each month, with bid hours increasing. Most people I have talked to on the FO side have been flying in the 90+ hour range. I agree if nothing changes till sumer, this is going to be loco. Something has got to give...

Direct message from Charlie Tutt

The losses in 200 flying will outpace any attrition.

+1 on the CT message. The 200 losses won't outpace attrition until after Christmas. If we don't have new hire classes and upgrades in March, summer will be busy for everybody on the CRJ side. Not sure about ERJ.

They are looking at a April class. the AE MIA is still in play.

I thought Mia was dead when RAH got their contract with AMR.

I thought so too. Any info on how it's in play?

Miami is not in play. The next asa to be awarded will be for Compass doing New York flying.

Any info to elaborate? Sources, dates etc, thanks for the info!

Why would we be doing any compass NY flying?

Whipsaw?????

asa not ASA

Maybe they mean CPA? For ASA or CPZ?

w t f.

I thought RAH's AMR flying was mostly concentrated out of ORD.

I'm assuming you meant the next AE*** flying to be awarded will be for ASA or Compass?

Compass only has 440 pilots. If they get even a small amount of AE flying movement over there will be crazy.

I heard something about Miami again this morning. Is it dead, or what?

Nope, not dead.

Mgmt is trying to spread doom and gloom (we are in negotiations and they want a favorable deal done soon), but things are still happening behind the scenes. There are still many AMR planes to be doled out.

Apparently they are still interviewing as of yesterday.

Probably because they want to keep the drowning pool full. I would assume that the people who have been treading water for months are getting sick of it and going someplace that is actually hiring and having classes.

Mgmt here has already said there is no hiring plans for this year. Maybe a CRJ class on the ASA side, but that too seems to keep getting pushed farther away. I personally hope that changes (for both sides!) but for now doesn't look like it

i do believe they are using the CAL approach to staffing. Just right for the slow periods and then offer 200% pay in the summer to get everything covered.
Plus the boat has sailed on getting new hires and upgrades online by the summer.

So if Miami turns out they feel staffing will be enough as is?

Just to make sure I am getting this straight, Expressjet is not hiring?? I would like to get the info from those of you in the frontline that have the scoop. I know they give credit for helo time but will they settle for a guy with only 60 hours multi?

Possible, but unlikely. I THINK you have to have 100 hours multi engine fixed wing. They do take helo time, though.

I think you should apply. I will even pay your Airapps fee for the year! :cool:

The airline is right now critically understaffed. They have been running out of reserves and extending lineholders for the last two weeks. In February, the slowest month of the year. They have to run another class, because if they don't this place will shut down this summer. Our inept management has short term memory. I guess they don't remember the chaos of summer 2011 when everyone timed out and fatigued out.

I will say that I find is extremely funny that management wants 10 million dollars in concessions, yet they waste money extending lineholders at 150%. I think they need to cut the waste before they even think about asking for concessions. epic fail.

I'm with you, however I'm sure they looked at what it costs at paying 150% vs hiring a person. It's cheaper to offer overtime(150%) than it would be to hire someone. I'd be interested to see the numbers of how many people get extended and I'd be willing to bet it is still cheaper than paying health insurance, 401k, training costs, and salary for two people to get hired.

It's like this in almost every industry. It's cheaper to pay someone a few hundred bucks extra than it is to pay someone a years salary.

Where I take issue, as you pointed out, was their meltdown in 2011. When you're having people fatigue out and drop dead as a lack of planning I think that shows a lack of respect for employees and common sense. I think it also showed them just how far they could push, and how much they can get away with before we snap. Hopefully we can avoid another summer 2011, I know I won't let them push me as hard as they did.

The flaw here is that anyone who's been here for a while knows that this company succeeds in spite of itself. The is no way they did any kind of analysis. The crew resources department lives hour to hour putting out fires. They have no long range planning whatsoever. Their only goal is to get a problem off their desk and onto someone else's. In fact, that's how everyone in the GO operates.

Clearly they forgot. Or more likely, they don't care. They probably figure everyone will moan and gripe on the message boards, but still show up to work. If people start to fatigue out, they'll just go back to the punitive fatigue policy. Then we'll get a memo blaming the pilots for fatigue calls, but saying It Doesn't Matter How We Got Here.

Here was the laundry list of excuses in 2011 as to why we were so critically understaffed.

"The staffing and our operation has reached a critical mass this week (ie maintenance issues, increased flying added at the last minute, commuter clause users, sick calls, personal issues, extended training for some pilots-new hires and upgrades, ground damage, weather, too much open time left from the original bid run, PBS issues, people not following the FOM policies, etc.). "

we might get the "it doesnt matter how we got here" memo again....

I didn't fly at all in jan on reserve, flown everyday on reserve for feb

I'm on reserve and I haven't blocked less than 70 hours since October......the ORD FO reserve pool is non existent. Either let some of the Newark/CLE guys in or hire mas pilots! I'd rather fly like 15 hours a month ;)

The rumor I'm hearing is that our summer block hour schedule for 2013 will be one of our busiest on record. Between this, and the attrition that is picking up, this company will be in for a rough ride. I got absolutely HAMMERED in 2011, and I won't do that again- one way or another. This company lives month to month, with absolutely NO down the road planning, what so ever.

There was also an internal memo which was sent out to the Chief Pilots Office, about February. Apparenty, they don't want any unecessary leaves granted because we are "critically understaffed" for this month. They didn't take into account the number of folks that are still in training. Good grief- understaffed already, and they don't think there will be problems this summer????

They always plan to run fat in the off season, and lean in the summer. However, I think this year, this idea is flawed because of hiring at the majors, and they have no true clue just how bad it really will be.

This summer is going to be an absolute joke. The funny thing is, they know the new FT/DT regs are going into effect in '14. Summer schedule + increased attrition + increased fatigue calls + new FT/DT regs = one hell of a sh*tshow. You would think they'd at least be proactive about getting some more pilots on property due to the new rest rules, but I guess not.