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Originally Posted by MrMustache (Post 1616541)

If only you guys got those 717s...

It still might happen.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1616939)

It still might happen.

Are you really that stupid or am I missing something?

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Originally Posted by captlonestar (Post 1617227)

Are you really that stupid or am I missing something?

Yep your missing something.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1617315)

Yep your missing something.

I see what you did there.

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Originally Posted by RamenNoodles (Post 1616521)

Deep breathes. Negotiating tactics. INC isn't going to just Comair the entire airline. There are plenty of profitable pieces at ExpressJet. I'd be willing to guess a bankruptcy filing would be in order before they just dissolve their billion-dollar investment. In fact, I'm surprised they haven't done that yet. Perfect excuse to force the pilots into a JCBA, shed loss-making CPA's and other financial burdens, force Delta and United back to the negotiating table to secure new CPA's that actually make sense.

The only reason I can think of that is holding them back is that it would tank INC's credit rating and they might have trouble financing all those shiny new large RJ's on order. How many are there again? 400+ including options? I seriously doubt SkyWest Airlines alone could staff all that even if they parked the entire existing fleet.

Yea, we're not going anywhere.

And we have a winner...

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1616509)

Pretty much.. We are the next Comair. Doesn't matter if we are publicly traded or not. That is not a safety net, and yes we can be shut down if we are not making money. We are not the government. All I can tell you is have your apps out and try to get out.:(

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1616537)

I like the way you think, it is a positive outlook. However, i'm not so optimistic. I hope what I said does not come true.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1616939)

It still might happen.

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Originally Posted by Kilroy (Post 1617315)

Yep your missing something.

You kind of suck at trolling. I hope you're just trolling.

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Originally Posted by Captain Tony (Post 1617349)

You kind of suck at trolling. I hope you're just trolling.

Not trolling. The first two post is how I really feel based on my own observations. I do hope the outcome is for the good
But I'm not totally convinced it will be for the best. The second two you listed I'm just having fun. :-)

You ExpressJet guys sure seem to be emboldened by the votes at Eagle and Republic. Let me bring you back down to reality a bit. Eagle and Republic are both profitable, ExpressJet is not (cue all the conspiracy theories about fuzzy math and intentionally trying to tank ExpressJet). Have you met United? They are the most greedy airline out there, all about the bottom dollar. They aren't about to renegotiate contracts that benefit ExpressJet and not them. They want the 50 seaters gone, they don't want to pay more for them. It's all a pipe dream for you lifers over at ExpressJet because you have nowhere else to go or you would have got out already...SkyWest isn't going to keep this around for much longer. Hell, as you guys retire planes OO is pulling them out of the desert and putting them into service and making money with them. Got two sitting in TUS right now awaiting incoming inspections, more on the way.

Is ExpressJet just going to completely disappear in the near term? No. But they will be downsized to trim the losses as new aircraft come online with the 175 at SkyWest and Mesa and eventually just be completely shut down. SkyWest gains nothing by continuing to run two separate operations (cue the whipsaw theorists).

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Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1617421)

Awe, that's cute. Did somebody make you a badge and now you're the spokesperson tool of the day for SkyWest? You want to pinpoint blame, look at your own mgmt team. Expressjet IS SkyWest. We are ran from the very same people. So hop off your high horse and come down to reality for a minute. We have our share of problems-- none of which stem from our pilots. I'm sick and tired of watching you pretend to sit high and mighty. Look at yourself. Why don't you take a look at what Chip Child's did before he came to SkyWest? Also, look at your own costs, you're expensive too.

AnchorDown

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Originally Posted by air101 (Post 1617421)

You don't get it. It's not about us; it's about the future of the airline pilot career. If we were so afraid of losing our jobs, we would never have voted NO by an 83% margin!

We were the first, remember!

We know our airline is going away. The mismanagement will see to that. We just were not going to help them line their pockets as they do it. As far as "lifers" go, there has been almost no hiring by the majors for 10 years! Only certain groups got hired. We also know that SKYW can't simply bankrupt us as we are their subsidiary. We are over 4,000 pilots and it will take a while for all those 175's to replace that feed. Let's see how the summer goes, when cancellations mount for lack of crews. Every labor group here is ****ed off, not one of them is doing anything beyond bare minimum, because management isn't either.