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It seems logical in that someone who went to school for accounting would be a better accountant than someone who went to school to be a doctor... is someone with an aviation degree a better pilot? Maybe not, but they have formal education in the subject matter.
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I've got a crj class coming up in 2 wks, but after reading these forums I'm unsure of what I should do. I interviewed in August and xj was the 4th offer I've gotten so far. Others were psa, mesa, and republic (shuttle America side). I in no way shape form or fashion have sjs. I only want to get my time and get out to the majors where I will worry about how big the jet is. I'm 25 with a bachelors and ATP so I feel like I've set myself up well. Here's the kicker though, I will be commuting from knoxville (KTYS) so many will probably say PSA because of living in base. But that new ta, if it passes, will make commuting worth it from anywhere. Also, as crappy as the mesa pay rates are, it looks like they have some serious growth and looking pretty stable vs xjets 200's uncertainty. I guess what I'm saying is I need some reassurance that xjet is the best option for me. Thanks guys.
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kflyguy:
The answer is no one knows anything beyond today. Look at the facts today, and decide where to go. And, as PilotYIP says, in about 20 years you will know if you made the best choice. It is impossible to make the best choice now, as there are too many changes that will occur in the future. The "best" choice is only knowable in the future...looking back on your career. |
Originally Posted by KYflyguy
(Post 1483393)
I've got a crj class coming up in 2 wks, but after reading these forums I'm unsure of what I should do. I interviewed in August and xj was the 4th offer I've gotten so far. Others were psa, mesa, and republic (shuttle America side). I in no way shape form or fashion have sjs. I only want to get my time and get out to the majors where I will worry about how big the jet is. I'm 25 with a bachelors and ATP so I feel like I've set myself up well. Here's the kicker though, I will be commuting from knoxville (KTYS) so many will probably say PSA because of living in base. But that new ta, if it passes, will make commuting worth it from anywhere. Also, as crappy as the mesa pay rates are, it looks like they have some serious growth and looking pretty stable vs xjets 200's uncertainty. I guess what I'm saying is I need some reassurance that xjet is the best option for me. Thanks guys.
Bottom line is this, every regional sucks, some suck more than others! You need to decide what is important to you. For "most" guys it all comes down to QOL, Bases and work rules and that is the reason they chose that particular airline. Just like you, everyone wants to "get in and get out", but guess what? It is a lot easier said than done. Also keep in mind, that bases can open/close in a heartbeat, more so on the regional level. Upgrade time can fluctuate big time! And what holds true today, might not be valid tomorrow. I also just wanted to get in and get out, and now, almost 7 yrs later still right seat at my second regional airline, not by choice. But at least I'm not scraping for food stamps every month, get paid when my flight cancels, and have some control over my QOL, but I'm not flying a brand new E175 with power outlets with big growth coming my way. What's important to me is being able to feed myself and my family and a good QOL without having to ***** myself out for new jets and the possibility of a quick upgrade. |
Originally Posted by Spoilers
(Post 1483413)
Here is the thing! You need to do what is best for YOU and your family. Nobody on here can make this decision for you! Educate yourself and talk to current pilots, don't read too much into some of these threads here on APC!
Bottom line is this, every regional sucks, some suck more than others! You need to decide what is important to you. For "most" guys it all comes down to QOL, Bases and work rules and that is the reason they chose that particular airline. Just like you, everyone wants to "get in and get out", but guess what? It is a lot easier said than done. Also keep in mind, that bases can open/close in a heartbeat, more so on the regional level. Upgrade time can fluctuate big time! And what holds true today, might not be valid tomorrow. I also just wanted to get in and get out, and now, almost 7 yrs later still right seat at my second regional airline, not by choice. But at least I'm not scraping for food stamps every month, get paid when my flight cancels, and have some control over my QOL, but I'm not flying a brand new E175 with power outlets with big growth coming my way. What's important to me is being able to feed myself and my family and a good QOL without having to ***** myself out for new jets and the possibility of a quick upgrade. |
Originally Posted by DaCat1989
(Post 1483225)
I would love to work for ExpressJet but I'm still far from 1500. But they're hiring at 1000 with a bachelor's.
I'm currently at 890tt, 160 amel, 330xc, 110 turbine ...with a bachelor's in aviation. Also i completed my ground and flight training under 141. What are my chances of being offered an interview? You can't simply have an aviation degree and apply at 1,000TT unless I'm missing something else. |
I had the opportunity to spend some time with some Shuttle America pilots yesterday. After comparing notes, I wouldn't go to any RAH certificate. This industry is fickle, and you can get stuck. Go somewhere where being stuck isn't awful.
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Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
(Post 1483807)
I had the opportunity to spend some time with some Shuttle America pilots yesterday. After comparing notes, I wouldn't go to any RAH certificate. This industry is fickle, and you can get stuck. Go somewhere where being stuck isn't awful.
I'm not sure there are any regional airlines that aren't awful to be stuck at, unless you have something otherwise to say. |
Originally Posted by JohnnyG
(Post 1484003)
Where do you work?
I'm not sure there are any regional airlines that aren't awful to be stuck at, unless you have something otherwise to say. |
Originally Posted by AtlCSIP
(Post 1484036)
CRJ side of ExpressJet. Compared to what I hear from my friends at AE, Endeavor, RAH, GoJets and this guy from Shuttle, this is a great place to be. Definitely could, and should, be better, but it isn't awful. I've heard SkyWest is better, but this isn't a bad place to get stuck, if that is what happens. Of course, when the new contract comes out, who knows?
Fair enough. Your positive attitude and ability to realize the grass isn't always greener will take you far. I'm all out of positive attitude and hope. |
Originally Posted by KYflyguy
(Post 1483393)
I've got a crj class coming up in 2 wks, but after reading these forums I'm unsure of what I should do. I interviewed in August and xj was the 4th offer I've gotten so far. Others were psa, mesa, and republic (shuttle America side). I in no way shape form or fashion have sjs. I only want to get my time and get out to the majors where I will worry about how big the jet is. I'm 25 with a bachelors and ATP so I feel like I've set myself up well. Here's the kicker though, I will be commuting from knoxville (KTYS) so many will probably say PSA because of living in base. But that new ta, if it passes, will make commuting worth it from anywhere. Also, as crappy as the mesa pay rates are, it looks like they have some serious growth and looking pretty stable vs xjets 200's uncertainty. I guess what I'm saying is I need some reassurance that xjet is the best option for me. Thanks guys.
Due to recent trends in the industry, I wouldn't recommend XJT if you're looking to get in and out quickly as possible. A new hire today a XJT will likely have a 5-6 year upgrade at best. Too many senior pilots, too many 50 seaters, and a ton of uncertainty. I recommend going to a regional that has little to no exposure to 50 seat market and is growing. Any pilot furloughed 3 years ago at ASA that went to GoJet is a lineholding Captain on the CRJ700 holding weekends off making 70k. Furloughed pilots that returned to ASA are currently barely line holding FOs on the CRJ700 flying weekends for 45k if you work hard. Mesa is a great choice. Likely 2 year or less upgrade. Compass also |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484071)
IMO, the unprecedented stagnation that occurred in the airline industry due to the Age 65 rule won't ever happen again unless there is a complete collapse of the US economy in which the airline industry will be the least of our concern.
Due to recent trends in the industry, I wouldn't recommend XJT if you're looking to get in and out quickly as possible. A new hire today a XJT will likely have a 5-6 year upgrade at best. Too many senior pilots, too many 50 seaters, and a ton of uncertainty. I recommend going to a regional that has little to no exposure to 50 seat market and is growing. Any pilot furloughed 3 years ago at ASA that went to GoJet is a lineholding Captain on the CRJ700 holding weekends off making 70k. Furloughed pilots that returned to ASA are currently barely line holding FOs on the CRJ700 flying weekends for 45k if you work hard. Mesa is a great choice. Likely 2 year or less upgrade. Compass also |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484071)
I recommend going to a regional that has little to no exposure to 50 seat market and is growing. Any pilot furloughed 3 years ago at ASA that went to GoJet is a lineholding Captain on the CRJ700 holding weekends off making 70k. Furloughed pilots that returned to ASA are currently barely line holding FOs on the CRJ700 flying weekends for 45k if you work hard.
Mesa is a great choice. Likely 2 year or less upgrade. Compass also |
Originally Posted by ross9238
(Post 1484159)
If a quick upgrade is what you seek, then a pilot didn't have to be furloughed to go to GoJet at that time. I am sure that GoJet would've welcomed you with open arms. You can still make the move to Mesa Trip. :rolleyes: There must be a reason why you are still sticking it out here.
I was giving advice to newcomers to the regional game, not veteran FOs 6 years in. If I was a newcomer I wouldn't touch XJT with a 10 ft pole. |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484173)
I was giving advice to newcomers to the regional game, not veteran FOs 6 years in. If I was a newcomer I wouldn't touch XJT with a 10 ft pole.
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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484071)
IMO, the unprecedented stagnation that occurred in the airline industry due to the Age 65 rule won't ever happen again unless there is a complete collapse of the US economy in which the airline industry will be the least of our concern.
Due to recent trends in the industry, I wouldn't recommend XJT if you're looking to get in and out quickly as possible. A new hire today a XJT will likely have a 5-6 year upgrade at best. Too many senior pilots, too many 50 seaters, and a ton of uncertainty. I recommend going to a regional that has little to no exposure to 50 seat market and is growing. Any pilot furloughed 3 years ago at ASA that went to GoJet is a lineholding Captain on the CRJ700 holding weekends off making 70k. Furloughed pilots that returned to ASA are currently barely line holding FOs on the CRJ700 flying weekends for 45k if you work hard. Mesa is a great choice. Likely 2 year or less upgrade. Compass also I couldn't disagree more about the state of the economy and what's happening. The stabilization period we think we are experiencing is only the last of the private wealth changing hands a few last times before it leaves the country for good to places where things are produced, and the economy has an engine and fuel. We're running on the battery here. |
...but there was no stagnation due to the age 65 rule... |
Originally Posted by KYflyguy
(Post 1484306)
When you say that about XJT is it because you think there won't be anything to replace the phased out 200's when it happens? or a vastly changed contract in the near future? And upgrading would be nice for the experience and bigger paycheck, but I've read several post about guys getting hired as FO's so I'm not going to chase the upgrade. I've read several occurrences where it can come back to haunt ya. Btw sorry I know I'm probably beating a dead horse but I'm a first generation pilot just looking for a little guidance from somebody on the inside. lol
I understand the not chasing upgrade advice but understand most giving that advice were scarred by the unprecedented pseudo 5 year seat lock handed down by the Age 65 rule. If your plan is to get in and out of the regionals as quickly as possible, there are much better options than XJT. If upgrade is not an immediate concern then XJT is a great place to hang your hat for a while, as the FO yearly raises continue well past year 4:D. Just for perspective I've been at XJT 6 years and I'm 400 numbers away from upgrade. You're correct there are several occurrences where chasing upgrade burned folks. But there are also a ton of occurrences where it worked out. Many pilots rode the 04/05 Mesa gravy train to fast upgrades and mainline jobs 3-5 years after being hired. My advice is just one perspective. Gather as much advice/info as can, then make a decision based on what's best for your QOL needs and career goals. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484071)
IMO, the unprecedented stagnation that occurred in the airline industry due to the Age 65 rule won't ever happen again unless there is a complete collapse of the US economy in which the airline industry will be the least of our concern.
Due to recent trends in the industry, I wouldn't recommend XJT if you're looking to get in and out quickly as possible. A new hire today a XJT will likely have a 5-6 year upgrade at best. Too many senior pilots, too many 50 seaters, and a ton of uncertainty. I recommend going to a regional that has little to no exposure to 50 seat market and is growing. Any pilot furloughed 3 years ago at ASA that went to GoJet is a lineholding Captain on the CRJ700 holding weekends off making 70k. Furloughed pilots that returned to ASA are currently barely line holding FOs on the CRJ700 flying weekends for 45k if you work hard. Mesa is a great choice. Likely 2 year or less upgrade. Compass also |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484342)
There will be large regional aircraft to replace most of the 50 seaters but it won't be 1 for 1 so overall fleet wise XJT will shrink. Attrition is about to pick up which will help movement in the near term but there is a ton of uncertainly with 50 seaters coming off contract and the Delta rate reset in 2015/2016 timeframe.
I understand the not chasing upgrade advice but understand most giving that advice were scarred by the unprecedented pseudo 5 year seat lock handed down by the Age 65 rule. If your plan is to get in and out of the regionals as quickly as possible, there are much better options than XJT. If upgrade is not an immediate concern then XJT is a great place to hang your hat for a while, as the FO yearly raises continue well past year 4:D. Just for perspective I've been at XJT 6 years and I'm 400 numbers away from upgrade. You're correct there are several occurrences where chasing upgrade burned folks. But there are also a ton of occurrences where it worked out. Many pilots rode the 04/05 Mesa gravy train to fast upgrades and mainline jobs 3-5 years after being hired. My advice is just one perspective. Gather as much advice/info as can, then make a decision based on what's best for your QOL needs and career goals. Good luck! United has already awarded 70 large RJs and I believe the Q400's count as well but I am not 100% certain so that means that Untied already has 100 76 seaters under contract with the regionals, they are approaching the time where they must park a whole lot of 50 seaters with not many 76 seaters coming in. SKW already stated that INC will park 250+ airplanes due to mainline SCOPE in the next two years. People are blinded by the recent airframes awards as the SCOPE clauses are not triggered just yet. AA and US Airways will likely see a SCOPE clause similar to that of United and Delta. Someone just posted a Mesa PDF that does a comparison of contracts at the regionals and there are others floating around that compare SCOPE clauses at mainlines, I suggest people become familiar with these because you are being whipsawed against each other and sadly must pilots are not familiar with their own contracts. |
Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1484173)
I was giving advice to newcomers to the regional game, not veteran FOs 6 years in. If I was a newcomer I wouldn't touch XJT with a 10 ft pole.
I know the new prospects must've heard this over and over again. You should pick a regional based on a good contract, available bases but never to chase the quick upgrade. What might be true today might not exist tomorrow. |
What is the passing score on the Delta test?
How are you guys preparing for this test? |
Originally Posted by mxaexm
(Post 1488555)
What is the passing score on the Delta test?
How are you guys preparing for this test? |
how long do they take on call you for a class date? thanks
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Originally Posted by yimke
(Post 1488558)
80%, but they scale it down to 60% for ExpressJet standards.
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I interviewed yesterday in Alt with ExpressJet, and today I was given a ERJ class date for November the 18th.
I was one of eight guys that interviewed, and all eight of us were given an offer as for as I know. Any advice for getting ready? How long does the training normally take? I am excited to get started! |
Originally Posted by Pilot Sharp
(Post 1511718)
I interviewed yesterday in Alt with ExpressJet, and today I was given a ERJ class date for November the 18th.
I was one of eight guys that interviewed, and all eight of us were given an offer as for as I know. Any advice for getting ready? How long does the training normally take? I am excited to get started! |
Can someone tell me if and when Expressjet hired in 2006 would have had a chance to upgrade to Capt?
Thanks |
Originally Posted by Slats Extend
(Post 1511768)
Can someone tell me if and when Expressjet hired in 2006 would have had a chance to upgrade to Capt?
Thanks |
Originally Posted by yimke
(Post 1511770)
Most junior captain is 12/2006 hire. So we are almost starting into 2007 hires. A lot to go there!! So it's pretty much a 7 year upgrade right now.
Thanks for the info! I was a little surprised at that.. Cheers |
Originally Posted by yimke
(Post 1511770)
Most junior captain is 12/2006 hire. So we are almost starting into 2007 hires. A lot to go there!! So it's pretty much a 7 year upgrade right now.
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