atrdriver

If you were to read the union bullet points and skim this TA, you'd probably think it sounded pretty good for a concessionary contract. I think that is our biggest obstacle to convincing most yes voters to reconsider.

Once you dig into the language of the TA you find that it is massively concessionary for ASA.

From the removal of the duty rig (YES this matters under Part 117 despite what ALPA may say), to no pay for alternate deadheads on the back end, to the gutting of PBS (15 hour window?! Say goodbye to ANY control over your schedule whatsoever) and gutting of reserve rules (half your golden days are gone, CS can change your on call period anytime they want, etc etc). Moving expenses were slashed. Vacation worthless. No furlough clause gone. Work til 0400 on your day off? AYFKM?

Read this thing line by line. It will negatively affect the QOL and paychecks of every pilot on the list, especially the junior guys. Read it and educate those who have only read the ALPA propaganda.

To those who say we can't get a better deal: "yes we can." It's the contract we've currently got.

Truman_Sparks

Seriously. Why vote something in that is worse than what we have? What is the incentive? Where is the offer of something in exchange? Are they nuts? "hey, take this worse contract, but there is nothing in it for you!" Nah, I like my current contract. Anyone that votes for this is a spineless, blithering idiot! You are just handing away pay and quality of life, FOR NOTHING!

HVAA

jeez...you guys are really pi ssed.
Keep up the good work...spread the word...vote NO!

CaptainNameless

I have been at LXJT almost 14 years. No thank you to this TA. We are pilots, not slaves. I guess now it's just a game of can they continue to run the company before too many people leave.

I second the idea to boycott the *******ing roadshows. Let them sit there and wonder why no one came to listen to them.

afterburn81

It's very strange. The only people that speak up about their vote being yes are afraid of something.

None say "well this over here and that over there are an improvement so why not?"

It's always some cowardly response. Like I'm afraid if we don't vote yes the company will tank.

When the hell did anyone even say that? I mean it's never even been officially said from ALPA or the Company. At least not to my knowledge. The thing that sucks is that all of these yes voters are going to keep thinking that until someone comes out tells them otherwise. Which will never happen.

Ellen

YEP! That is correct.

No sense in touching this thing. Seems the company is a bit scared and that pilots have the upper hand at this point in my opinion.

No Trip Rig or Dead Head Pay if one takes a different flight, right!

NO VOTE for sure!

Ellen

I'll third it . .

Ellen

It IS a "Concessionary Contract." Who cares what PSA did. Just because they are a regional airline doesn't mean we have to match them. They are a non-factor. SkyWest isn't going to close tomorrow, or the next year or the next decade. Mainline won't let them, they need the Hub feed and pilots to replace legacy retirements.

Ellen

I agree.

Showed my girlfriend over at Skywest this TA and she laughed. Said it sounded like it was written by her management. She is on reserve, and gets flown all over the country to sit reserve in other domiciles because they don't want to staff properly nor are they willing to. (That would not be fun)

She said she doesn't get paid Duty Rig per what their policy says. (I don't think they actually call it that, can't remember).

She was also saying that they like to change the rules all the time. She said she has called in sick because crew scheduling will change her reserve period in the middle of the day. They release her from duty during the day and tell her to get rest so she can fly a late flight out. Sounds pretty bad.

Not sure if that is abnormal or the standard practice there but that doesn't sound fun either way.

Oh, plus she said that when they have policy changes the language is written so vaguely that it leads to company abuse of policy.

JoeMerchant

Ellen, you ignored my post correcting your supposed facts about how wages and benefits are a small part of the expenses. I pointed out some facts that refuted that. Care to comment?