Was in DTW today with a minor MX issue, lovely the Skywest MX guys referred to us as "ExpressMess." Great group over there.

I had the same experience. Incredibly condescending response from our former mechs. I wanted to write them up...redneckery right out of the ATL playbook.

Oh that's a good one. Haven't heard that one before. I still think distressjet is the most accurate for us

When I worked there I came up with DepressJet

I don't understand how anyone is still in denial about the future. It's obvious that SKYW is not interested in dealing with unions anymore-and they are flushing all union labor.

I decided to get out several years ago (took years of apps and job fairs, but finally I got lucky.) It's taken some sacrifice, my schedule is a shadow of it's former glory, but I'm glad I made the jump. There are a bunch of great people still at the company, and I miss working with them.

If anyone still is on the fence, they should get off. I'm not any smarter than anyone else, but I definitely didn't see good things happening once the company decided to start parking planes. I can't think of any regional which has ever survived parking half it's fleet.

If I were still there, I'd get out to anywhere ASAP. Somehow, a lot of the folks I know still tell me about how they are still thinking about getting their apps out. Be aggressive, apply everywhere-don't get discouraged if you get shot down for one job-keep trying. I had an interview somewhere I really wanted to work-and was shot down. I didn't care... I kept after it 100%. Went to more job fairs than I care to recall. Eventually, a great airline called, and I was prepared when I showed up for the interview. Took a ton of prep work, but they like to see that. Don't show up unprepared-find out everything you can about the interview up front. I think most airlines look at interview prep as a good indicator of how well you would prepare for training. Don't show up cold.

Some of it is luck-but in most ways, we make our own luck. Stop thinking about apps, and do something. The end is coming. I don't like it. ASA was a great place to work-with a wonderful bunch of people. It's done. It's over. Once the delta contract ends, it's 100% done. I don't like it, but that's the reality. It's the truth-as I see it.

The time for thinking is long past. Get out now.

And DON'T listen to anyone running around the lounge spouting about how you are:
-Too old
-Too experienced
-Too WASPy
-Not recently gone through initial
-Too anything else they can think of.

That is 100% BS. I don't understand why some people do that. Don't try and talk yourself out of success-and don't discourage others. I can think of exceptions to every single one of those things I've ever heard. I know people who have failed check rides and had real life violations who wound up at the airline of their choice. I was supposed to be "too this and that," but none of it matters once you sit down at the interview. It's all up to you to turn any of that stuff into a positive-and it can be done.

**** all that noise. Get after it! Make your own fate! Ignore all the guys who say all that stuff. They are 100% wrong.

You forgot about the other at the company that tell everyone that those leaving are a big part of the problem and are sell outs. Those are the same people that seem to think that everyone else stole "their" planes.

I don't remember running across those guys. That's a very strange attitude.

I don't understand accusing anyone of "selling out" for trying to escape a place which is almost certainly closing.

Suggestion. How about worrying about your own life and let the Expressjet guys worry about theirs Dr. Phil.

You read great advice from someone who has gone before you, and succeeded in moving up, and you tell him to shut up. *SMH*

Keep that up and you won't go very far in life.

Just calling it the way I see it. I've been wrong before, and I'd love to be wrong about this.....

I wasn't trying to throw stones or pass judgement, I was just sharing my view that the situation looks real bad. I can't imagine how parking half the fleet could possibly be a good thing-but hey, I'm no MBA-by any means.

I sincerely wish you all the very best of luck. I spent a long time at the place, and I'll always think highly of the people I worked with. The jobs market is very good right now. I'd take advantage of it.

Do I need to say more?

When I told everyone I was leaving for G7 direct CA I only got backlash from one person. The rest could see its no more risky than staying at ASA.

This was after the announcement of the loss of the 200s, but before this DTW/LGA news. I can't imagine anyone would argue now.

Wow you're a total mincer. Sod off.

It sounds like you're salty about other people's success because you either can't or don't want to move on elsewhere.

If someone makes the choice to move on that's great. The choice should be theirs and not ours.

My point is 2 fold. Everyone's situation is their own. Today there are so many variables for pilots. Every situation is as different as each pilot is different.

Point 2 - a pilot that has very little time in this industry to be giving advice is childish. Worry about yourself not someone else. You wouldn't want someone telling you how to be a CPT would you.


Tata junior

P.S. my financial situation will blow yours away. I've been very very fortunate in my career/life and the reason I stay where I am is for the quality of life.

It's not so much the judgement as it is telling someone what direction.

If someone goes to xyz airline, even though it wouldn't be your choice, then that's great. It fits his mold/game plan.

Wish them the best of luck! We have enough problems battling Crew Sch...Management etc.

Hey bozo. Did you read what he wrote or are you one of those CA's that is stuck and just cant get out so you have to lash out at everyone?

😂 This tells me all I need to know about you. Extremely telling 😂

I'm glad you feel so secure about everything you felt the need to brag about that on an anonymous internet forum :confused:

Anybody else see the ad on here for Express jet saying you have leading career progression? Wot?

I'm a bit disappointed to see former ASA pilots shiitting over the pilots that are still there. I'm disappointed to see current guys going after the ones that left. Everyone has their reasons to leave or stay. There's no unity in this airline and that's why we are in the spot we are. Between the association and management and the lying from everywhere to the pilots, this is all just another kick in the nuts.

Plenty of unity amongst the top 70% of Captains; and that's why I left.

I left because of the horrible pay as an FO.

I left for the same reason AND the lack of respect for pilots by the management. When your told in front of a crew room full of IAH pilots by the former CEO Charlie .... that “if you don't like the pay you shouldn’t be here” I had seen and heard enough.

Alternative Facts are everywhere these days.

What's the DTW/LGA news?

Downsizing DTW and opening up LGA. No added flying, just basically splitting the base. FA union sent out a email saying that DTW is actually closing. Company says no that's not happening. Basically no one know *** is going on.

I certainly hope my posts aren't interpreted that way.

I didn't intend that-at all.

Just trying to be helpful. I know some folks are still on the fence. They shouldn't be.

Trying to share my opinion in a non-insulting way. For a long time, I thought that ASA would be picking up some new flying somewhere-maybe getting the e-170 or something. I definitely don't think that anymore. With all the legacies scraping and clawing to find pilots for their regionals, you'd think ASA would be in a great position-given that they have a surplus of experienced pilots. If the company can't find new flying at this point, it is game over. Regional feed is in a tough spot these days. Most regionals are desperate for pilots. ASA is parking half the fleet. I can't see that as a good thing on any level.

The job market (finally) looks good. Take advantage of it. People should reconsider the term "lateral move" when an airline is closing.

It's only my opinion, but it is a very strong one. I very much think ASA is closing-probably will be around until the delta contract expires-but after that date, I just don't see it.

I'm very sad about the situation-but it's real. This is not a drill. I don't see any way things will improve. I hope things work out-but really... Has any regional ever parked half the fleet and survived? How does that even work?

Not trying to insult anyone.

Three days grace wrote a song about XJT. "Over and Over"... i agree now is the time for lateral moves.. bonus money plus quick upgrades.. places not to go laterally. Horizon, XJT, Compass, Mesa... safer bets. Enovy, Endeavor, PSA, SkyWest.

Yep. Some regionals pay 65K for new hires. Spirit and Frontier have very quick upgrades-plus you get a type rating that most legacies would look at favorably. I wouldn't view any of that stuff as lateral.

Fate has dealt ASA a raw deal-but you don't have to play that hand if you can come up with a better one.

Best of luck-sincerely.

^^^This Guy^^^ has it right.

The internal jobs board right now has no pilot positions available. Fleet managers are the only FO positions available.

The 700s for AA are all the QX tails.


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All the fleet managers bailing??? (These are the guys in the know)

We are still hiring.

Been a while since I read/heard anything about ASA.

Bums me out to hear what's happened. Worked with some solid people when I was there and I hope you all are going to end up in a good spot, if you haven't already.

Here's a bum's speculation. ASA delta side will be shortened until it makes sense to merge with the United side. That will solve any needs on the LXJT side. Can't merge with skyw because merging union-nonunion is a nightmare. But who will pick up the pace for regionals in ATL?

You know the answer to that question.

ASA, XJT and INC will never agree on a pilot contract. There will be no merger.

If there was even a chance of this happening, they would have already started talks for the new contract.

Pinnacle parked about 120 CRJ-200's, 36 Q400's, all of the Mesaba & Colgan Saabs, and all of the Colgan 1900's. With all of those aircraft being parked the Seniority list quickly went from nearly 3,000 pilots down to 1,800 in just a few years. Now Endeavor is one of the top Regionals to be at, but that doesn't mean that's how it'll turn out for y'all. Just thought I'd contribute to the question about "Any Regional ever parked half the fleet and survived?"