Blocking someone's training trade
05-11-2017, 05:41 AM
#11
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 4,304
Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
Wow. 
"My pay raise."
Their decision to swap wasn't going to affect your pay raise in any way. Who cares if a junior person goes before you within the scope of the contract? You are going to get paid the same.
This is why we had 57% say YES to a crappy contract because some folks were given a benny that others wouldn't get and they screwed their buddy.
Sorry Mark, but you really are "that guy." I can't believe you admitted it.
"My pay raise." Their decision to swap wasn't going to affect your pay raise in any way. Who cares if a junior person goes before you within the scope of the contract? You are going to get paid the same.
This is why we had 57% say YES to a crappy contract because some folks were given a benny that others wouldn't get and they screwed their buddy.
Sorry Mark, but you really are "that guy." I can't believe you admitted it.
PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox ...
Looking at your last 48 hours worth of posts looks like you're ****ed off at everybody - or - your wife forgot to give you your meds - or - maybe you're a nonmember? Maybe you're that guy?
Their decision to swap training dates DOES affect my pay. With the way Management arbitrarily (randomly?) changes training dates it might affect my pay for 12-24 months. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise. It seems like maybe Management and the Union BOTH agree with me and that's why they require my approval (or maybe you're one of those guys that votes on TA's without ever reading them?).
It's interesting that you would make such broad statements without knowing the rest of the story. I'm not ordinarily a guy that chases pay raises preferring instead a better schedule so as to spend extra time at home with my family. My wife is disabled and was unable to work at the time. I'd spent the previous year on first year pay. The $50,000/yr pay raise mattered to my family and me. It was my pay raise.
After seeing how much static I've received here about this topic you've changed my mind. I'll reconsider next time ... unless it's the infamous PurpleToolBox that wants to trade and then I'll have to think about it.
With Kindest Regards,
MM
05-11-2017, 07:13 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox ...
Looking at your last 48 hours worth of posts looks like you're ****ed off at everybody - or - your wife forgot to give you your meds - or - maybe you're a nonmember? Maybe you're that guy?
Their decision to swap training dates DOES affect my pay. With the way Management arbitrarily (randomly?) changes training dates it might affect my pay for 12-24 months. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise. It seems like maybe Management and the Union BOTH agree with me and that's why they require my approval (or maybe you're one of those guys that votes on TA's without ever reading them?).
It's interesting that you would make such broad statements without knowing the rest of the story. I'm not ordinarily a guy that chases pay raises preferring instead a better schedule so as to spend extra time at home with my family. My wife is disabled and was unable to work at the time. I'd spent the previous year on first year pay. The $50,000/yr pay raise mattered to my family and me. It was my pay raise.
After seeing how much static I've received here about this topic you've changed my mind. I'll reconsider next time ... unless it's the infamous PurpleToolBox that wants to trade and then I'll have to think about it.
With Kindest Regards,
MM
Looking at your last 48 hours worth of posts looks like you're ****ed off at everybody - or - your wife forgot to give you your meds - or - maybe you're a nonmember? Maybe you're that guy?
Their decision to swap training dates DOES affect my pay. With the way Management arbitrarily (randomly?) changes training dates it might affect my pay for 12-24 months. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise. It seems like maybe Management and the Union BOTH agree with me and that's why they require my approval (or maybe you're one of those guys that votes on TA's without ever reading them?).
It's interesting that you would make such broad statements without knowing the rest of the story. I'm not ordinarily a guy that chases pay raises preferring instead a better schedule so as to spend extra time at home with my family. My wife is disabled and was unable to work at the time. I'd spent the previous year on first year pay. The $50,000/yr pay raise mattered to my family and me. It was my pay raise.
After seeing how much static I've received here about this topic you've changed my mind. I'll reconsider next time ... unless it's the infamous PurpleToolBox that wants to trade and then I'll have to think about it.
With Kindest Regards,
MM
05-11-2017, 10:51 AM
#16
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: 757 Capt
Posts: 2,418
until the system changes, you are at the mercy of the company
training can flex pretty hugely, I traded my last one to help one of the bro's out and then the company hosed him with a last minute shift and he was scrambling again
training can flex pretty hugely, I traded my last one to help one of the bro's out and then the company hosed him with a last minute shift and he was scrambling again
05-11-2017, 03:05 PM
#17
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Joined APC: Apr 2017
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[QUOTE=PurpleToolBox;2361721]
This is why we had 57% say YES to a crappy contract because some folks were given a benny that others wouldn't get and they screwed their buddy.
So Fedex has a crappy contract now??? I thought it was one of the best, is this guy for real? I'll gladly take your seat since you think it sucks so much.
This is why we had 57% say YES to a crappy contract because some folks were given a benny that others wouldn't get and they screwed their buddy.
So Fedex has a crappy contract now??? I thought it was one of the best, is this guy for real? I'll gladly take your seat since you think it sucks so much.
05-11-2017, 05:14 PM
#18
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 1,622
Originally Posted by MaydayMark
PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox, PurpleToolBox ...
Looking at your last 48 hours worth of posts looks like you're ****ed off at everybody - or - your wife forgot to give you your meds - or - maybe you're a nonmember? Maybe you're that guy?
Their decision to swap training dates DOES affect my pay. With the way Management arbitrarily (randomly?) changes training dates it might affect my pay for 12-24 months. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise. It seems like maybe Management and the Union BOTH agree with me and that's why they require my approval (or maybe you're one of those guys that votes on TA's without ever reading them?).
It's interesting that you would make such broad statements without knowing the rest of the story. I'm not ordinarily a guy that chases pay raises preferring instead a better schedule so as to spend extra time at home with my family. My wife is disabled and was unable to work at the time. I'd spent the previous year on first year pay. The $50,000/yr pay raise mattered to my family and me. It was my pay raise.
After seeing how much static I've received here about this topic you've changed my mind. I'll reconsider next time ... unless it's the infamous PurpleToolBox that wants to trade and then I'll have to think about it.
With Kindest Regards,
MM
Looking at your last 48 hours worth of posts looks like you're ****ed off at everybody - or - your wife forgot to give you your meds - or - maybe you're a nonmember? Maybe you're that guy?
Their decision to swap training dates DOES affect my pay. With the way Management arbitrarily (randomly?) changes training dates it might affect my pay for 12-24 months. I'm sorry that you feel otherwise. It seems like maybe Management and the Union BOTH agree with me and that's why they require my approval (or maybe you're one of those guys that votes on TA's without ever reading them?).
It's interesting that you would make such broad statements without knowing the rest of the story. I'm not ordinarily a guy that chases pay raises preferring instead a better schedule so as to spend extra time at home with my family. My wife is disabled and was unable to work at the time. I'd spent the previous year on first year pay. The $50,000/yr pay raise mattered to my family and me. It was my pay raise.
After seeing how much static I've received here about this topic you've changed my mind. I'll reconsider next time ... unless it's the infamous PurpleToolBox that wants to trade and then I'll have to think about it.
With Kindest Regards,
MM
I don't want to start a fight here. Maybe I can convince you why your decision was perhaps not the best choice.
The blocking of their request to swap training dates did not affect you in any way. You didn't get paid any less. Your pay increase date didn't change. Your training date remained the same.
Had you not denied the swap, you would have had increased seniority during the time you checked out in the new crew position until the senior pilot checked out ... assuming he/she ever did. Perhaps that pilot changed bids on a subsequent posting and never trained in that crew position leaving you more senior?
In denying the swap, you potentially missed out on better vacation dates, increased pay (draft, AVA etc.etc.) because you would have been one slot senior on the list until the time the senior pilot entered the list above you. The union and company only ask for your permission so you won't grieve and claim passover pay which binds them contractually.
We all have times when work directly conflicts with our private lives ... anniversaries, recitals, weddings, graduations, planned mega vacations .. etc.etc. .. things in which the contract doesn't allow us relief from work. If we all worked together as a crew force instead of fighting so much, we'd have better quality of lives.
I hope I can change the way you think about this as well as maybe changing other pilots who are reading this post.
Together we stand, divided we fall.
Member since 2007. Thank you.
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