Pros and cons of the MD11
11-29-2018, 06:01 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 204
Originally Posted by Low Flyin
“I'd strongly consider that "free" sim the contract offers us every year.“
We get a free sim? Can you please share where in the contract that is? Seems like a great benefit
We get a free sim? Can you please share where in the contract that is? Seems like a great benefit
11-30-2018, 05:24 AM
#22
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: FDX MD11 Capt in MEM
Posts: 885
Originally Posted by yardstick
Would they consider a Navy E6 guy for the MD or is it limited to the above named airframes? Thanks
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11-30-2018, 02:58 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Jul 2012
Position: MD-11
Posts: 245
I’ve been on the MD for 2.5 years. I think I’m at about 58-60% now in the right seat. I really like the flying. I flew international 20+ years in the Air Force and at Atlas. I like the domestic flying for now since I don’t have to change so many time zones. The flexibility of the trips, most are 6-13CHs, really allows folks to fine tune their schedules. I’ve only missed one family event in the past year. When you have kids in school that’s a huge bonus. Soon both will be in college and maybe I’ll change but I plan to stay on it during the next bid. If it’s anything like the last system bid there were more senior MD FOs who bid off the MD than there was were who bid on to it. Maybe other airframe FOs don’t want to fly the MD. Maybe they don’t like the schedules/locations. Maybe they don’t want to be on a dying airframe. Whatever the reason it just seems senior FOs shy away from this plane. That’s fine with me. I like it. We have some great captains and if the layover is long enough have always had a good time. I haven’t met a slam click guy yet.
As for flying the plane itself. I view the 11, 10-30, and 10-10 as 3 different aircraft. Each has its own quirks especially during landing (below 50ft). Once you recognize that it’s a great plane. The 11 is much more pitch sensitive than the others. I think the 10-30 probably flys the easiest some of the characteristics of both the 11 and the -10. The landing sims are great. They really help you understand how to properly land the aircraft. Lots of different scenarios and conditions to allow you to feel the effects. I just did my sims which reset me to the 9-18month schedule. Should be interesting to see if there are negative consequences but unfortunately we won’t know unless something happens and that would take years to see the effects. Hopefully there are 0 incidents but the increased time between sims may have unintended consequences. Of course in the MD we get loads more landings due to our shorter trips than the 777. So maybe the scheduling system will offset the increased time between sims.
If your junior to me come over. 😜
As for flying the plane itself. I view the 11, 10-30, and 10-10 as 3 different aircraft. Each has its own quirks especially during landing (below 50ft). Once you recognize that it’s a great plane. The 11 is much more pitch sensitive than the others. I think the 10-30 probably flys the easiest some of the characteristics of both the 11 and the -10. The landing sims are great. They really help you understand how to properly land the aircraft. Lots of different scenarios and conditions to allow you to feel the effects. I just did my sims which reset me to the 9-18month schedule. Should be interesting to see if there are negative consequences but unfortunately we won’t know unless something happens and that would take years to see the effects. Hopefully there are 0 incidents but the increased time between sims may have unintended consequences. Of course in the MD we get loads more landings due to our shorter trips than the 777. So maybe the scheduling system will offset the increased time between sims.
If your junior to me come over. 😜
12-02-2018, 09:11 AM
#24
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Rocking chair
Posts: 1,601
If you are new to the company, young and want to really fly INTL, go to the 777 when you can. Like the variety of DOM and INTL, the MD offers both, but with the caveat you got to be able to hold it (INTL). The MD on long INTL flights is a disaster for rest compared to the 777. That rest area on the triple is very Gucci compared to the hardship we endure on the MD.
As for flying the jet. Well it is different ,but not because of some poor engineering by Douglas (well, maybe a little
) The second engine being above the center of lift is unique in jet transport aircraft. Loss of this engine affects pitch in ways that the twin and four engine pilots don't have to adjust to. This impacts both go arounds and other situations with nonstandard power options (loss of 2 vs either 1 or 3). The result is tail strikes are more likely if you mismanage pitch/trim or a startled change in flight path/power (go around).
As for flying the jet. Well it is different ,but not because of some poor engineering by Douglas (well, maybe a little
) The second engine being above the center of lift is unique in jet transport aircraft. Loss of this engine affects pitch in ways that the twin and four engine pilots don't have to adjust to. This impacts both go arounds and other situations with nonstandard power options (loss of 2 vs either 1 or 3). The result is tail strikes are more likely if you mismanage pitch/trim or a startled change in flight path/power (go around).
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