We have interviewed (zoom) in December the last 2 years. Is December not peak?

what? We have not done pilot hiring interviews via zoom

C2078 is a UPS pilot that likes to troll the Fedex boards.

They'll need to empty the 170ish out of the pool starting next year first. Sounds like we won't be interviewing again until March-April.

Have also heard at RTAG FedEx was putting out they're back to hiring 200-250 a year, anyone know if that short term or moving forward now?

QUOTE=Readysetroll13;3529331]Have also heard at RTAG FedEx was putting out they're back to hiring 200-250 a year, anyone know if that short term or moving forward now?[/QUOTE]


recent schoolhouse rumor is 300 hundo next year including the pool.

recent schoolhouse rumor is 300 hundo next year including the pool.[/QUOTE]


So an additional 130? Or 300 on top of the pool?

recent schoolhouse rumor is 300 hundo next year including the pool.[/QUOTE]

200-250/year would make sense since it covers attrition.

No, way better than that. He said 300 HUNDO! Three hundred thousand pilots!

200-250/year would make sense since it covers attrition.[/QUOTE]

Could you expand on the attrition piece? New guy here, TIA

Could you expand on the attrition piece? New guy here, TIA[/QUOTE]

Attrition = Retirements, mostly. Gotta replace those bodies as long as we aren’t shrinking.

Actually 300 Hundo would be Thirty Thousand

Attrition = Retirements, mostly. Gotta replace those bodies as long as we aren’t shrinking.[/QUOTE]

I’m thinking there are a lot of people delaying retirement until a TA is ratified. If that happens, we could see hundreds retire within a month or two.

I’m thinking there are a lot of people delaying retirement until a TA is ratified. If that happens, we could see hundreds retire within a month or two.[/QUOTE]

They would give up the bonus for not giving a year's notice.

They would give up the bonus for not giving a year's notice.[/QUOTE]

That bonus was in the last contract. It remains to be seen if it is in the new one. Also, if the new retirement is any good, some people might just punch out anyway.

That bonus was in the last contract. It remains to be seen if it is in the new one. Also, if the new retirement is any good, some people might just punch out anyway.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but most give notice. If you are trying to get hired at FedEx, and or already a new hire here, you need to understand that there is a lot of risk with the coming network changes. Our explosive growth is over.

Yes, but most give notice. If you are trying to get hired at FedEx, and or already a new hire here, you need to understand that there is a lot of risk with the coming network changes. Our explosive growth is over.[/QUOTE]


I don’t think anyone thought it would last forever. I just started in May from another Legacy and I feel much more comfortable here than any pax airline for this impending recession.

Yes, but most give notice. If you are trying to get hired at FedEx, and or already a new hire here, you need to understand that there is a lot of risk with the coming network changes. Our explosive growth is over.[/QUOTE]

That’s really not a bad thing… Explosive growth generally doesn’t end well for companies in the long term and that’s been proven over and over. FDX had to ramp up quickly to “answer the call” during the pandemic, but now that it has started to subside a more metered, well calculated approach should be the answer going forward. Time will tell if the new leadership team has what it takes, but hopefully the BOD and shareholders will hold them accountable. As far as network changes, those happen everywhere and should never be a surprise, it’s a business and it needs to fluctuate with demand, etc.

Can you elaborate on what the coming network changes will be?

Our flying is said to decrease. Our open trips have been greatly reduced, Some fleets have next to nothing available on our “open time” board. That being said, UPS teamsters (non pilots) tend to be far apart from management at the moment. If things don’t improve, I wouldn’t be surprised in the coming months if we get some of UPS’s business as a result. That could soften the blow to our operations as we slide back down to normal. Conjecture from a line slime pilot who knows little

Yea our reduction in flying has nothing to do with UPS. Network 2.0 will involve more trucking via Ground/Freight/LTL at the expense of reduced flight hours. Further, an overhaul of which aircraft we fly to certain destinations will be evaluated. Not to mention an overhaul to our bid packs SS said would be coming. Will be interesting to see. These past two and a half years have been all hands on deck and write the check for whatever was needed to keep the operation moving. Now that demand has gone back to normal, FedEx has to follow suit. But by no means is the sky falling here.

The union Scheduling Improvement Group called this peak, “the least peaky Peak ever.” That isn’t good.

The 2Q earnings call scheduled for December 20th may give us more information on what’s to become of our flying. UPS beat earnings and didn’t scream the doom and gloom like FedEx leadership. We know management has mentioned more cuts to come after peak.

is it cuts or more of “proper sizing post COVID?”

Did FedEx just ballon up to answer the call for covid and now things are going back to “normal?”

over a billion in profits, seems weird to hear people talk about doom and gloom.
just curious.

UPS is a trucking company with jets. Of course they're more efficient. And they aren't in contract negotiations.

They are in contract negotiations. The kind that doesn’t require the NMB to go on strike.

So the TA they signed doesn't count? Which sections are still open in negotiations?

The truck drivers covered by teamsters are in negotiations.

Which is exactly why on every earnings call the analysts ask FS why FedEx operates three different networks. Now that he is moving aside, the new leadership is starting the process of combining the networks.

Yes, EXACTLY 170driver.

They have more than one work group that is unionized. And as far as I know only the pilots fall under the RLA. Which is why they wanted and extension with them so that they can have all hands on deck for the real fight to come.

You do know that the current Teamsters contract doesn’t expire for another 10 months right? Negotiations just started in August. There won’t be a strike and a new contract will be in place by August 1st 2021.

Yes I do know it expires at the end of July 2023. You are confident. Hopefully for their sake, and yours, they get a good contract. I mean that. I presume you did in fact see the “IF” in my post you quoted. As you can tell by the amount of posts I do, I don’t dive into the mud. The last word is yours

Our esteemed president just sent of loud and clear message about unionized labor’s chances of being released to strike. He said he was pro labor but when rubber met the road he bailed. What an embarrassment his term has been.

That adage is pretty stale… we’ve got a lot of trucks and they’ve got a lot of airplanes these days.

What the poster means is UPS trucks a larger portion of packages than FDX. When an Air package can be trucked and still arrive within the service timeline, it will be trucked. FDX doesn’t do this. And the UPS network is fully integrated, there are no Express and Ground trucks, just Brown trucks. UPS years ago made a significant shift to their weekend operations, hence why we don’t see as many weekend layovers as before or as FDX. They started trucking even the most time sensitive packages during the weekend vs flying them if they could meet service.

Another reason why FDX has more flights, UPS prefers to fly less frequency and more volume, one of the reasons they love the 74, especially the -8F. In a given route, FDX may perform 2 flights, UPS only 1. And FDX seems to do more point to point, UPS flies very little routes outside the traditional “hub and spoke” system. Yet revenue is marginally higher at UPS, but profitability is substantially higher. Packages get delivered on time, regardless how they get moved. Does it mean trucking them is cheaper and more efficient? I have no knowledge of internal operations or cost structure beyond this basic info, but it sure seems like it.

This is not a knock against FDX or for UPS, just elaborating on your “adage is pretty stale” comment, because that adage really does explain the difference between the companies.

FDX has been slowly been trying to vertically integrate the network, but the contractor model is just one of the issues. They could make this happen overnight, but they are hell bent on the contractor model.

Getting back on topic.

new class starting tomorrow.

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Interesting drop....

Who thinks this might be the last time for a while that new hires will be going into the MD, Bus, and 75? From some of the stuff I've been hearing, looks like next year's hiring will mainly be focused on placing bodies into the 76 and 777.

Time will tell...however, there are several pilots on property (myself included) awaiting training on the 76 or 77.

Does anyone know the total number of pilots hired in 2022 and 2021?


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Aren't a significant number of 777 slots in 2023 dedicated to those that were awarded it during System Bid 20-02?

Then additionally there are a significant number from 21-01 that are awaiting training for both 76 & 77.