The fact that you consider the results a “victory” says it all. This wasn’t a furlough or a presidential election. It seems to me your criteria for significance regarding the ratification vote for our last contract is a pretty low bar. By your definition, it would appear that the mere fact there was an outcome rises to that bar. That makes them all significant and therefore, none of them. But it was a victory, eh? :rolleyes:

Certainly the bridge contract passed by what 87 or 93%? What a piece of Ship that was. Now do I have to be break out the dictionary for you and explain what Margin and of and Victory mean. It is a simple to use phrase that does not pronounce judgement on the outcome.

What I find significant is how easy it was for the union representatives to convince a majority of its membership to vote yes


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They didn’t convince me. The draft flying vacation sellers convinced me. I didn’t like the contract the 8 in 24 give back (our own SIG wanted this), the 6 year duration, and the no improvements in retirement sucked. But the retirement changes were/are never going to happen since we insisted we would not negotiate any changes to eligibility.

I notice you don’t criticize the I’ll get mine posters.

Not really sure why you feel it necessary to divert with talk of furloughs, presidential elections and now the bridge contract. I think the onus is on you. Maybe you can explain to the rest of us lowly “asshats” what you found so significant about the majority by which CBA 2015 passed. That’s what started this whole tangent. Words matter, maybe choose yours better.

What a found out about you lowly asshats is I criticized a poser for promising to undermine contract negotiations and you want to divert the conversation to the meaning of significant. You diverted the conversation with your major editing of my post to attempt to criticize an insignificant part of it.

Edit: Words indeed matter. I explained why significant is appropriate in post 89.

so far as I know we had no real data on how many guys were flying draft and selling back vacation; therefore, why would you vote based on rumor when the cold, hard facts of the TA were staring at you?

I was in a very small group of pilots in 2015. It was very easy to track draft (I was called twice a week) and vacation buy back. If you didn’t see it happening you weren’t looking.

no. i saw it happening. however, there is no saying as to what extent this may or may not have influenced our negotiations. if we’re carrying this to the extreme, are we honestly saying that the majority was doing this, or enough that in times of self-help would have helped themselves? it was in my opinion a convenient element upon which to hang our white flag. certainly we had enough people propagating this myth, with no mention of our budgetary shortfalls or spending habits.

It could be, I know I was giving up 20 hours a month, at a minimum.