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10-15-2019, 02:16 PM
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So if I read this right, the Company elected to exercise their option to withdraw from the Hotel Standby settlement that both sides have benefitted from over the last two peak periods.
Wasn’t that a grievance we won? So what opinions are on the table for the union now?File another grievance? This don’t make any sense to me. Look like the company will do as they please. These grievances are a waste of time if after a settlement the company does the same thing that led to the grievance.
Wasn’t that a grievance we won? So what opinions are on the table for the union now?File another grievance? This don’t make any sense to me. Look like the company will do as they please. These grievances are a waste of time if after a settlement the company does the same thing that led to the grievance.
10-15-2019, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by HvypurplePylot
This was announced months ago. Must have missed it in your email.
10-15-2019, 06:34 PM
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Unfortunately the agreement allowed any party to withdrawal with notice and the company did just that. Old news. But report to the Union if you see Airport Standbys flooding the schedule and preventing you from dropping trips or changing your schedule.
10-15-2019, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
So if I read this right, the Company elected to exercise their option to withdraw from the Hotel Standby settlement that both sides have benefitted from over the last two peak periods.
Wasn’t that a grievance we won? So what opinions are on the table for the union now?File another grievance? This don’t make any sense to me. Look like the company will do as they please. These grievances are a waste of time if after a settlement the company does the same thing that led to the grievance.
Wasn’t that a grievance we won? So what opinions are on the table for the union now?File another grievance? This don’t make any sense to me. Look like the company will do as they please. These grievances are a waste of time if after a settlement the company does the same thing that led to the grievance.
Either side could withdraw after 2 years - Company elected to back in February because of the perceived abuses of AVA. Guys dropping trips and then picking up friend's trip at AVA since reserve forecast is not an issue. Not an issue the settlement was meant to solve. But hey it happened, and now they've withdrawn. Maybe it'll be worse for them if they don't have sufficient reserves to cover everything...or maybe it wont.
You do understand that minor grievances are filed under the RLA and a settlement is typically better than going all the way to an arbitrator right? This was maybe the best settlement for the pilot's I've seen in 15 years - except for the ones that were obvious wins (75/76 passover for example).
So stop you complaining, read a bit more on the law governing the industry you work in and try and do something helpful.
10-16-2019, 07:01 AM
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2 day HSBY's, which have a disproportionate impact on Reserve Availability.
Not the increased ASBYs which will arrive in December.
It was the 2 day HSBY's which Mgt wasn't filling that resulted in the settlement agreement, not the ASBYs which Mgt typically assigns. (And why not, HSBYs add per diem and Hotel expenses whereas ASBYs don't)
Not the increased ASBYs which will arrive in December.
It was the 2 day HSBY's which Mgt wasn't filling that resulted in the settlement agreement, not the ASBYs which Mgt typically assigns. (And why not, HSBYs add per diem and Hotel expenses whereas ASBYs don't)
10-16-2019, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Tuck
Spoken like a guy who has limited understanding of RLA and airline issues but damn...acts like he knows it all. I get it - you're a commuter guy from Frontier and gosh darn it, that makes you super smart.
Either side could withdraw after 2 years - Company elected to back in February because of the perceived abuses of AVA. Guys dropping trips and then picking up friend's trip at AVA since reserve forecast is not an issue. Not an issue the settlement was meant to solve. But hey it happened, and now they've withdrawn. Maybe it'll be worse for them if they don't have sufficient reserves to cover everything...or maybe it wont.
You do understand that minor grievances are filed under the RLA and a settlement is typically better than going all the way to an arbitrator right? This was maybe the best settlement for the pilot's I've seen in 15 years - except for the ones that were obvious wins (75/76 passover for example).
So stop you complaining, read a bit more on the law governing the industry you work in and try and do something helpful.
Either side could withdraw after 2 years - Company elected to back in February because of the perceived abuses of AVA. Guys dropping trips and then picking up friend's trip at AVA since reserve forecast is not an issue. Not an issue the settlement was meant to solve. But hey it happened, and now they've withdrawn. Maybe it'll be worse for them if they don't have sufficient reserves to cover everything...or maybe it wont.
You do understand that minor grievances are filed under the RLA and a settlement is typically better than going all the way to an arbitrator right? This was maybe the best settlement for the pilot's I've seen in 15 years - except for the ones that were obvious wins (75/76 passover for example).
So stop you complaining, read a bit more on the law governing the industry you work in and try and do something helpful.
10-16-2019, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by StarClipper
If you notice, I ask a series of questions before all else. So stop being so defensive like I said something to offend you? And your arrogance continues to show by trying to belittle commuter and frontier guys. Like I’ve said I’ve been here long enough whether you like it or not.
So, which of your statements are false, those in the past, or your current statements.
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