StarClipper

I totally agree that the Capt has the final say on riding upfront but not in the back. I would still accept all JumpSeaters whether in the flight deck or in the back.

MD11FLYER

i threw a bomb?? I literally repeated what the chief pilot said in his SCP update!! He gave no information either so how am i supposed to give information ... he asked for us to basically look out for each other ..I’m not on jetflyers and honestly rarely post on here ..i tend to keep my life away from FEDEX just that ..but if you decide jetflyers or other forums is a place you want to hang than YES you’ll find people complaining...the MAJORITY of our crew force goes to work flies and goes home.. stay off whining websites ...as far as you comparing your old crew force to your new crew force you can always go back to your old one because comparing the two is pointless .. and if you feel this crew force is too whiny for you well you can go back to your non whiny crew force but i bet this place is better hence you are here ...I’m not leaving a jumpseater .. that’s me.. my decision .. and I’ll deal with it ... other captains have the right to do what they’d like ..but if you have a purple badge and need a ride I’ll get you there ..

also remember some of those “whiny” crewmembers May be the reason you wanted to come here because they “whined” to get better things in a contract to make THIS company more appealing than the last non whiny place YOU LEFT.

golfandfly

If anyone has underlying conditions that make Covid-19 life threatening, I’d suggest they take some time off until this thing dies off or we have a vaccine. You never know who has it. Most experts think that most of the people with the virus are asymptomatic. Add that to all the surfaces that may have been infected, it’s just not practical to think you aren’t going to get infected if you go to work. Of course, take the precautions that you can. That may include not allowing jumpseaters, but I’d sure hope they never list for a Jumpseat I’m operating. I’d definitely return the favor.

Unless they are flying in a hazmat suit, there’s a great opportunity to get the virus when they go to work.

Noworkallplay

You referred to the captain who denied the JS “a special group”. Thats what threw me.

Let me clarify. I wasn't calling you whiny just said some of our crew members are. I just simply stated you posted an incomplete story with a conclusive statement. Would you take 5 jumpers on a 4 man crew DXB-MEM in a 777? Would you take 4 jumpers on a 767 (all in the flight deck) with a 3 man crew from LFPG-MEM? Maybe that Captain who denied the jumpers wasn't notified by the jumpers ahead of time they had all been in high risk areas. Do you see all the scenarios we could come up with? We don't have the facts. This is why we must never jump to conclusions. We must never chastise a pilot for holding a line on Safety.

We are in a weird situation but some folks have tighter risk tolerance than others. This is why we must set the break if the airplanes are not cleaned. This is why we must not waiver on PIC authority. This is why we must call in fatigued if we are fatigued due to poor hotels/lounges. Its all about safety. Once you give it up ain't no getting it back. As for leaving my previous gig I was clear on that. This place suits me much better.

My bigger point was we as a group need to stop pointing the finger at each other and the union and point it squarely on the company who was late to react to a lot of this and now they want us to bend over backwards to bail them out. This was seen by many months ago as this spread across Asia. I was one of many who was posting about it on this forum. I think the company is trying like crazy over the past week with some of the changes that have happened but it was to late. They lost the good will of many including me. I want to see this company be successful but not squarely on my back while they kick me in the groin.

Pinkdog

I’m not sure how often this is happening lately, but the situation I’m aware of involved 5 company scheduled jumpers (77 MEM-CDG). The captain refused them seats....I wonder if this was pushback against the company rather than refusing commuters a ride home?

Adlerdriver

Since I doubt there are many commuters trying to get "home" to CDG, I'd say that's a pretty good guess. Obviously that assumes there are commercial flights available to position those 5 pilots. If there are, the company has no business putting us on our own jumpseats. Maybe also, the captain wasn't interested in increasing his chance of a random exposure by 250%. Either way, good call, IMO. I'll bring along someone trying to get home any time and accept the extra risk. Positioning crews for revenue flights is a whole different story. Find a flight and put them on it. Assuming, of course, that the destination country will let them in as a passenger with the appropriate crew waivers. If the only way to get them into that country is as a crew on the GenDec of one of our flights, then there's not much point in falling on one's sword over that.

ConnerP

I am aware of one instance that was domestic and 2 were denied JS to MEM. Interestingly enough... that very same Capt was soon denied a JS home from work. Coincidence? Maybe... PIC authority is inviolate.

Huck

If the company is deadheading a pilot on a leg where airline seats are available, then it's his/her call whether to comply or fight.

But if they get to my flight and they're jumpseating, they're going. I don't refuse jumpseaters unless there's a safety issue - and I can't argue that jumpeaters increase my total risk by any noticeable amount. I get more exposure to more pilots in the crew bus and AOC than in the cockpit.....

pinseeker

Don't know what "Botyom" is, but flight deck JS is PIC authority. So, in the 777 and 767, that is all JS's. The seats behind the door belong to the company. We had this fight with the company over captains authority a decade before you were here.

MEMA300

all domestic flights should be given masks. All intl flights to china were given masks when china was the epicenter. Well the US is now full on with this virus. Its time for Fedex to do the same now for domestic crews as they did for intl. crews.