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Old 09-26-2020, 10:05 AM
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When debating the data used in the Variable Benefit Plan Modeler, most have assumed a 50% Stock/50% Bond Allocation.

I too, assumed this allocation. After further study of pertinent Fedex retirement documents, I've discovered the plan had an asset allocation of roughly 75% stock / 25% Bonds until the 2009. At that time, the Fund decided to move to a more conservative 50% stock / 50% bond allocation, and has continued to become more conservative each year. In 2015, the plan announced a further reduction ranging from 35-55% Stocks / 65-45% Bonds.

These changes in asset allocation are reasonable and expected. As any employee group grows older the retirement plan must become more conservative to ensure retiree payments can be made.

Asset Allocation since 2009

2009 - 71% Stock / 28% Bond / 1% Other

2010 - Not Available

2011 - 55% Stock / 44% / 1% Other

2012 - 44% Stock / 55% Bond / 1% Other

2013 - 51% Stock / 46% Bond / 3% Other

2014 - 49% Stock / 48% Bond / 3% Other

2015 - 44% Stock / 52% Bond / 4% Other

2016 - 44% Stock / 52% Bond / 4% Other

2017 - 41% Stock / 54% Bond / 5% Other

2018 - 39% Stock / 53% Bond / 8% Other

2019 - 36% Stock / 55% Bond / 9% Other

2020 - 32% Stock / 60% Bond / 8% Other

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Asset Allocation descriptions provided by the fund have changed slightly over this 12 year time period. For simplification and continuity, Bonds = Investment Grade Debt + High Yield Debt + Alternative Credit + Cash.

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When debating the data used in the Variable Benefit Plan Modeler, most have assumed a 50% Stock/50% Bond Allocation.

I too, assumed this allocation. After further study of pertinent Fedex retirement documents, I've discovered the plan had an asset allocation of roughly 75% stock / 25% Bonds until the 2009. At that time, the Fund decided to move to a more conservative 50% stock / 50% bond allocation, and has continued to become more conservative each year. In 2015, the plan announced a further reduction ranging from 35-55% Stocks / 65-45% Bonds.

These changes in asset allocation are reasonable and expected. As any employee group grows older the retirement plan must become more conservative to ensure retiree payments can be made.

Asset Allocation since 2009

2009 - 71% Stock / 28% Bond / 1% Other

2010 - Not Available

2011 - 55% Stock / 44% / 1% Other

2012 - 44% Stock / 55% Bond / 1% Other

2013 - 51% Stock / 46% Bond / 3% Other

2014 - 49% Stock / 48% Bond / 3% Other

2015 - 44% Stock / 52% Bond / 4% Other

2016 - 44% Stock / 52% Bond / 4% Other

2017 - 41% Stock / 54% Bond / 5% Other

2018 - 39% Stock / 53% Bond / 8% Other

2019 - 36% Stock / 55% Bond / 9% Other

2020 - 32% Stock / 60% Bond / 8% Other

Note:

Asset Allocation descriptions provided by the fund have changed slightly over this 12 year time period. For simplification and continuity, Bonds = Investment Grade Debt + High Yield Debt + Alternative Credit + Cash.

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Big money manager portfolios look similar. We all know a downturn is most likely in the near future and the big boys are moving money accordingly. After the 08-09 dump many went aggressive again much like our fund/trust managers. Its natural market cycles. Its interesting to look and try to model your personal portfolio similarly. May be a heads up call.

Remember pension funds are not trying to hit grand slams they are going for a single or a double consistently. They are most likely shooting for a 6-7% return.

Of note: I think I remember hearing at a hub turn meeting our current pension fund had made an average return of 6.5% annually
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Big money manager portfolios look similar. We all know a downturn is most likely in the near future and the big boys are moving money accordingly. After the 08-09 dump many went aggressive again much like our fund/trust managers. Its natural market cycles. Its interesting to look and try to model your personal portfolio similarly. May be a heads up call.

Remember pension funds are not trying to hit grand slams they are going for a single or a double consistently. They are most likely shooting for a 6-7% return.

Of note: I think I remember hearing at a hub turn meeting our current pension fund had made an average return of 6.5% annually
My investment manager has 12 - 18 months of withdrawals sitting in cash equivalents when retired. That handles a recession. Otherwise, 100% in stocks. They have selected stocks that give an overall less of a decline on the down side and more of an increase on the up side, by a few percent after expenses. They have less risk than an index fund. Significantly better long term return. Runs counter to the old rule of a balance of stocks and bonds. But long term analysis (they have been in business for 40+ years) shows they are correct.

Remember, if you make it to 65, a majority will have 20 years, and a good chunk of people will have 30+ years. Significant investments in bonds erodes the buying power.
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My investment manager has 12 - 18 months of withdrawals sitting in cash equivalents when retired. That handles a recession. Otherwise, 100% in stocks. They have selected stocks that give an overall less of a decline on the down side and more of an increase on the up side, by a few percent after expenses. They have less risk than an index fund. Significantly better long term return. Runs counter to the old rule of a balance of stocks and bonds. But long term analysis (they have been in business for 40+ years) shows they are correct.

Remember, if you make it to 65, a majority will have 20 years, and a good chunk of people will have 30+ years. Significant investments in bonds erodes the buying power.
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Send me a PM. Will be happy to share. I have no vested interest in them. No kickbacks. Not going to publish it publicly, though.

Incidentally, minimum half a million per client with them. They manage for 75,000 clients.
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My investment manager has 12 - 18 months of withdrawals sitting in cash equivalents when retired. That handles a recession. Otherwise, 100% in stocks. They have selected stocks that give an overall less of a decline on the down side and more of an increase on the up side, by a few percent after expenses. They have less risk than an index fund. Significantly better long term return. Runs counter to the old rule of a balance of stocks and bonds. But long term analysis (they have been in business for 40+ years) shows they are correct.

Remember, if you make it to 65, a majority will have 20 years, and a good chunk of people will have 30+ years. Significant investments in bonds erodes the buying power.
Completely agree with a personal account but that is not how big money managers handle pension trusts.
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Hey USMCFDX, check out buffettandbeyond dot com. I have been using them for years and have been crushing the S&P. They are a research and info service that is 12.95 a month, recommend a 30 stock portfolio, are buy and hold types, and have a track record of over 20 years of killing it. I pay for it myself, no financial gain for me recommending. If you want someone to manage your money, I’ve heard them say they have advisors they can link you up with. For 2020 YTD, we are beating the S&P by over 20%, with less volatility than the market. I have used many different types of advisors, inc,using wealth managers over the years... this is the first service that I truly believe can beat the market (and I have been). I think you can sign up for a free trial, but at a minimum, spend 12 bucks! I offer to pay for it to the FO’s I fly with. 96% of all professional money managers do NOT outperform the market over any ten year period. This guy does and has the math and track record to prove it. PM me if you wanna chat about it.
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Send me a PM. Will be happy to share. I have no vested interest in them. No kickbacks. Not going to publish it publicly, though.

Incidentally, minimum half a million per client with them. They manage for 75,000 clients.
Thanks - will think about it
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Hey USMCFDX, check out buffettandbeyond dot com. I have been using them for years and have been crushing the S&P. They are a research and info service that is 12.95 a month, recommend a 30 stock portfolio, are buy and hold types, and have a track record of over 20 years of killing it. I pay for it myself, no financial gain for me recommending. If you want someone to manage your money, I’ve heard them say they have advisors they can link you up with. For 2020 YTD, we are beating the S&P by over 20%, with less volatility than the market. I have used many different types of advisors, inc,using wealth managers over the years... this is the first service that I truly believe can beat the market (and I have been). I think you can sign up for a free trial, but at a minimum, spend 12 bucks! I offer to pay for it to the FO’s I fly with. 96% of all professional money managers do NOT outperform the market over any ten year period. This guy does and has the math and track record to prove it. PM me if you wanna chat about it.
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Completely agree with a personal account but that is not how big money managers handle pension trusts.
They also handle big money management for pension plans. Do the same with them.

Just for perspective. . .
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