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Fr8Master 10-20-2020 06:51 AM

Let’s see how many more pages we can get out of this thread!

FTv3 10-21-2020 08:38 PM


Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 3147512)
Maybe YOUR airline has a specific CASS system issue overseas, but my airline provides direct access to the CASS system vía a proprietary app and cockpit jumpseaters are verified to be eligible planeside and prior to boarding by the flight crew. It doesn’t matter if we are in Orlando or Osaka, it all works the same way. All the answers you need are in your last paragraph, TSA lifted the ban in 2012, some airlines figured it out (built an app, created a listing tool that works overseas) and some did not.

Something tells me there’s a little more going on to the story seeing as its it’s only ACMIs that allow it. Whatever the reason, a big thank you to you guys for setting the precedent for offline intl JSing. I know we are always happy to reciprocate as much as we can.

Whip, something also tells me you’re the kind of pilot who always needs to get the last word in so I’ll let you have it. It’s been an unpleasant experience - hope we never have to interact again.

Seriously though, professional to professional, best of luck while the industry we work in implodes around us.

Blue Juice 11-09-2020 01:21 PM

Has Fedex changed the phone number for domestic jumpseat? When i call the one on the fedex ALPA website it says “Call can not be completed as dialed”.

FedEx Pilot 11-09-2020 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Blue Juice (Post 3156686)
Has Fedex changed the phone number for domestic jumpseat? When i call the one on the fedex ALPA website it says “Call can not be completed as dialed”.

No, keep trying, maybe a phone issue.

BarryWhite 11-09-2020 01:39 PM


Originally Posted by Blue Juice (Post 3156686)
Has Fedex changed the phone number for domestic jumpseat? When i call the one on the fedex ALPA website it says “Call can not be completed as dialed”.

I've been getting nothing but the busy signal for the last few hours.

FedEx Pilot 11-09-2020 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by BarryWhite (Post 3156690)
I've been getting nothing but the busy signal for the last few hours.

Our Flt Ops site says the phone is down while AT&T does some troubleshooting.

Blue Juice 11-09-2020 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by FedEx Pilot (Post 3156714)
Our Flt Ops site says the phone is down while AT&T does some troubleshooting.

Thanks for the help.

TransWorld 11-09-2020 06:56 PM

I wonder if someone cut a fiber optic cable in the area.

The Walrus 11-09-2020 07:58 PM

Andre did it.

ObadiahDogberry 01-24-2021 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by FTv3 (Post 3147441)
I actually found that some of you don’t really know what you are talking about so I double checked some things I knew to be true.

Since it’s publicly available,

From ALPA’s jumpseat guide:

“3. Verifying Cockpit Access Security System (CASS) approval— ————. CASS serves only to meet the employment and identity verification requirement necessary to occupy a flight deck jumpseat. It has no bearing on eligibility to ride in the cabin.”

In the following paragraph:

“A jumpseater who will be occupying a cabin seat does not need to be CASS approved. “

So not thanks to CASS after all...

A little further down:

“International Jumpseating
In 2012, TSA lifted the restriction on off-line pilots occupying the jumpseat on international flights. As of this writing, ALPA is working to address a number of logistical hurdles and we anticipate that international jump- seating will again be a reality in the future. Until then, an off-line pilot may only occupy a seat in the passenger cabin when traveling internationally.”

As was explained to me, those LOGISTICAL HURDLES were mostly related to CASS.

Sorry for the thread bump. But at least Atlas was allowing offline cockpit jumpseating internationally prior to 2012. I rode on Atlas from HKG to ANC in July 2008 and had access to the flight deck (no cockpit door, just a curtain, and the crew invited me up for TO and LDG), and the same in July 2011 when I jumpseated from LUX to HSV.


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