Can you not read? The company's position is to move away from a pension. That's what happened in the "Bankruptcy Era" like my previous Legacy I was at. Once again, you appear to be the management the letter talked about that would spread rumors. I have quoted it once again for you since it hasn't sunk in.

"What management doesn’t want you to hear is that they made a proposal that is ultimately rooted in bankruptcy era contracts at other properties that place all the retirement risks on pilots."

This is not news to anyone at this company. It has been constantly reiterated in all of the pancake plan marketing for the last 5 years that the company wants out of the pension business. Why all of the sudden outrage about that? Our job is to compel them to improve the A plan terms, not go B plan only or even a market based pseudo- A plan which hopes the funding improvements come from stock gains so the company doesn’t have to pay up.

The real issue here, which is insane to not know at this point, is whether or not we are asking for a new type of inferior retirement plan to replace a traditional well funded pension during times of record profit and growth during the most difficult conditions in our company’s history. (Hint, you’re welcome company for those record profits, it was our pleasure! Now it is time to share in the profits as business partners do).

I think it’s probably a safe assumption that we are asking for the pancake plan because we proposed it as a pension concession before negotiations even started last year or so. But only the negotiating committee and company know for sure, which is kind of a big deal for the average line pilot planning his/her future. So a little clarity and Information would go a long way to unite. Non committee members are the only group left of of the largest details of the proposal - do you think that makes anyone comfortable and feel United?

Standing by for you or an alias to attempt to derail this thread to another topic besides whether or not the pancake plan is what we actually are pursuing..

Sadly, this is exactly right.

Why do we only get a “notebook “ every month. We should get weekly updates. I’ve never heard of a union only updating once a month except ours.

We get one after every bargaining session. Those only happen every 3 weeks or so. Look at the grid on bargaining webpage for bargaining dates. Hints the reason we get them a few days after every bargaining session, just like my last airline. In fact, I think they called them the same thing “negotiators notepad”.

Based on the communications, and the contract openers doc, we are keeping the A and B plan mix. It’s been published in numerous communications I have received from ALPA. Now we know the company doesn’t want to take that same path. We also now know the company doesn’t want to make big improvements, instead they want “bankruptcy era” retirement plans.

What you are attempting to do is micro manage every move via social media. Lets stop micromanaging and get unified and send a message. Your behavior is childish. If you want to be so involved then volunteer. Until then lets support our volunteers and NC. Enough of this “I know so much better, but I’m unwilling to volunteer or listen to retirement specialist.”

If you can’t even get unified behind the fact the company offered a “bankruptcy era” retirement then you are hopeless.

Once again you sound like a divider or management or both. If this is you then we don't need you and your type. Most of us are not like you. Most of us see people like you for what you are.

Okay, I have to ask. What committees have you been on?

None at FDX which is why I support those who are. I stay engaged and do meetings from time to time. PUB events periodically also. I did volunteer on a committee at another legacy. Thanks for asking. I have been through this before and we had social media warriors also. They looked foolish like the ones we have at FDX. I will put my trust in the group volunteering and doing the work. Not a bunch of mouths on APC or Jetflyer.

Well I don't know what openers you are reading as someone not employed by FedEx but I can assure you none of communication put out by our MEC or Negotiating Committee address keeping the A and B plan mix.

Nice try Troll.

You lie again.

From the openers doc

“Obtain an industry leading retirement package using both defined benefit and defined contribution plans”

“Create a sustainable balance between defined benefit and defined contribution plans.”

“Increase total defined benefit value for all pilots”


You look so foolish. You must be the management they speak of.

Its only been published 50 times and is on the contract negotiations webpage. I’m sure that would be too much work for you to go look at it.