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DR K 11-20-2021 06:53 PM

We expect rumors will begin to emanate...
 
- Company response “diametrically opposed” to union retirement proposal. “ Bankruptcy era response.” B plan only?

- “It reflects very few of the pilot inputs that formed the basis of our retirement proposal.”
Pilot inputs demanded pancakes? Company apparently allergic to pancakes. Me too.

- Company says pancakes are cost prohibitive. Who the heck knows since there is no codified funding requirement concerning pancake plans with permanent stabilization side savings accounts in existence.

- Lots of “the company doesn’t want you to know what they REALLY want to do to your benefits” and what they really DONT want you to know is”.

If we only knew what our actual retirement proposal was (pancake vs increase current plan) AND if that actually aligned with the desire of the pilot group concerning the pancake plan then outrage could be shared.

Instead it’s all cryptic and angry about what we don’t even know.

Cue the rumors from various sources - this means the membership probably needs a more clear explanation of our own position.

NotMrNiceGuy 11-20-2021 07:38 PM

This is my first negotiation at FDX. Been an ALPA member for 15 years. With posts like this, we deserve whatever trash we get. I know it’s an anonymous board, but this garbage is pathetic. I’m almost embarrassed by us as a group. We can’t keep our lips closed for five minutes. What a joke.

Freighthumper 11-20-2021 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy (Post 3325491)
This is my first negotiation at FDX. Been an ALPA member for 15 years. With posts like this, we deserve whatever trash we get. I know it’s an anonymous board, but this garbage is pathetic. I’m almost embarrassed by us as a group. We can’t keep our lips closed for five minutes. What a joke.

Well said.

Nightflyer 11-20-2021 08:07 PM

Perhaps if the union would quit pushing their pancake plan, or at least tell us what they are pushing, I would have more interest.

Telling us in terms so vague we have no idea what to be outraged about isn't helping.

The company is always going to lowball us. That's their job. Our job is to say "no".

If it takes voting no resoundingly on a TA, I am ok with that.

The problem is, the union always pushes for us to vote "yes" even when they are feeding us a crap sandwich.

Dakota 11-20-2021 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by NotMrNiceGuy (Post 3325491)
This is my first negotiation at FDX. Been an ALPA member for 15 years. With posts like this, we deserve whatever trash we get. I know it’s an anonymous board, but this garbage is pathetic. I’m almost embarrassed by us as a group. We can’t keep our lips closed for five minutes. What a joke.

“we deserve whatever trash we get“ only if you vote for it.

Hopefully you’re not one of the “noobs” voluntarily extending your trips to 150 hours.

FDX1 11-20-2021 08:56 PM

Manager Trolls in full force
 

Originally Posted by DR K (Post 3325483)
- Company response “diametrically opposed” to union retirement proposal. “ Bankruptcy era response.” B plan only?

- “It reflects very few of the pilot inputs that formed the basis of our retirement proposal.”
Pilot inputs demanded pancakes? Company apparently allergic to pancakes. Me too.

- Company says pancakes are cost prohibitive. Who the heck knows since there is no codified funding requirement concerning pancake plans with permanent stabilization side savings accounts in existence.

- Lots of “the company doesn’t want you to know what they REALLY want to do to your benefits” and what they really DONT want you to know is”.

If we only knew what our actual retirement proposal was (pancake vs increase current plan) AND if that actually aligned with the desire of the pilot group concerning the pancake plan then outrage could be shared.

Instead it’s all cryptic and angry about what we don’t even know.

Cue the rumors from various sources - this means the membership probably needs a more clear explanation of our own position.

Go back to your cubicle. Nice attempt at dividing the crew force. Absolutely idiotic.

Nightflyer 11-21-2021 12:15 AM

The people dividing the crew force are the ones in power pushing the pancake plan.

StarClipper 11-21-2021 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 3325509)
Go back to your cubicle. Nice attempt at dividing the crew force. Absolutely idiotic.

How is the poster dividing the crew force? The post is on point. If we knew and supported the union proposal was then we could have a say. To me all this is just codes which I don’t understand so they mean nothing to me. The only thing I fully understand is our current retirement plan so I’ll stick with what I know

HvypurplePylot 11-21-2021 02:32 AM


Originally Posted by StarClipper (Post 3325531)
How is the poster dividing the crew force? The post is on point. If we knew and supported the union proposal was then we could have a say. To me all this is just codes which I don’t understand so they mean nothing to me. The only thing I fully understand is our current retirement plan so I’ll stick with what I know

What a sad statement.

USMCFDX 11-21-2021 03:41 AM


Originally Posted by FDX1 (Post 3325509)
Go back to your cubicle. Nice attempt at dividing the crew force. Absolutely idiotic.

You are so out of touch - his post is spot on - I bet you voted yes the last round


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