The New MEC Chair and NC' letters
02-28-2022, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
All airlines have fly now grieve later. Its the RLA. Major vs minor dispute process. Same as my previous legacy.
This is something people need to get in their heads. Fly now grieve later is a feature of the RLA. It is not unique to FDX. Majors, regionals, whatever. It’s a feature of the law, not our contract.
02-28-2022, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
This is something people need to get in their heads. Fly now grieve later is a feature of the RLA. It is not unique to FDX. Majors, regionals, whatever. It’s a feature of the law, not our contract.
Yep! But just ask the experts of APC or Jetflyer and they will say differently. They know better than the law or attorneys.
02-28-2022, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
All airlines have fly now grieve later. Its the RLA. Major vs minor dispute process. Same as my previous legacy.
I have seen numerous well written educational articles the past 3 years on subjects like scope, disputed pairings, scheduling matters articles, retirement, benefits, etc. What I have found after talking with fellow crewmembers is many don't take the time to read them. To busy on social media or doing draft most likely I guess. Thats a joke, but not really.
We have a mentorship committee that offers a mentor to all new hires. I have asked many new hires if they signed up for it. The most common answer is “no I have a couple buds so don’t need one”. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink.
Every time I have done a DART about a contract question I have received a swift response. Most pilots don’t even attempt to read the contract. This is just as apparent with people who have been on property for 20+ years. It’s laziness in most that results in poor contract knowledge.
What I see you doing is blaming instead of holding people accountable. Thats the culture problem we have. When we start holding each other accountable it will change. That is how you eliminate the subcontractors.
I have seen numerous well written educational articles the past 3 years on subjects like scope, disputed pairings, scheduling matters articles, retirement, benefits, etc. What I have found after talking with fellow crewmembers is many don't take the time to read them. To busy on social media or doing draft most likely I guess. Thats a joke, but not really.
We have a mentorship committee that offers a mentor to all new hires. I have asked many new hires if they signed up for it. The most common answer is “no I have a couple buds so don’t need one”. You can lead a horse to water but can’t make them drink.
Every time I have done a DART about a contract question I have received a swift response. Most pilots don’t even attempt to read the contract. This is just as apparent with people who have been on property for 20+ years. It’s laziness in most that results in poor contract knowledge.
What I see you doing is blaming instead of holding people accountable. Thats the culture problem we have. When we start holding each other accountable it will change. That is how you eliminate the subcontractors.
02-28-2022, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
This is something people need to get in their heads. Fly now grieve later is a feature of the RLA. It is not unique to FDX. Majors, regionals, whatever. It’s a feature of the law, not our contract.
02-28-2022, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
I agree but if crew members had another step, calling on-call contract enforcement, we could keep the company from abusing the contract. The RLA doesn't prohibit anyone from phoning a friend. However, we don't have that option here.
03-01-2022, 10:45 AM
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Can some one please tell me how 24/7 CE is a part of this thread? I'm in support of 24/7 CE by the way.
This thread is about the change in tone form the MEC Chair and the NC.
Do you like their new direction?
Also, today is the day the new REPs are seated. I believe at least four of the PSPP supporting REPs are out.
If you care about retirement, this might be a good time to call, email, or in some other way get a hold of your rep and let them know how you feel about retirement and the rest of Negotiations.
This thread is about the change in tone form the MEC Chair and the NC.
Do you like their new direction?
Also, today is the day the new REPs are seated. I believe at least four of the PSPP supporting REPs are out.
If you care about retirement, this might be a good time to call, email, or in some other way get a hold of your rep and let them know how you feel about retirement and the rest of Negotiations.
03-01-2022, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianH
Can some one please tell me how 24/7 CE is a part of this thread? I'm in support of 24/7 CE by the way.
This thread is about the change in tone form the MEC Chair and the NC.
Do you like their new direction?
Also, today is the day the new REPs are seated. I believe at least four of the PSPP supporting REPs are out.
If you care about retirement, this might be a good time to call, email, or in some other way get a hold of your rep and let them know how you feel about retirement and the rest of Negotiations.
This thread is about the change in tone form the MEC Chair and the NC.
Do you like their new direction?
Also, today is the day the new REPs are seated. I believe at least four of the PSPP supporting REPs are out.
If you care about retirement, this might be a good time to call, email, or in some other way get a hold of your rep and let them know how you feel about retirement and the rest of Negotiations.
Hopefully this gets the thread back on track.
03-01-2022, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
No blame, just facts. A thirty-minute brief/a beer party at the beginning of BI with a volunteer/an offer of a mentor is not the same as required classes/training and an assigned mentor. A DART doesn't work when you need an immediate answer. GMAFB And you're agreeing with me, you just don't realize it. "Most people aren't going to read the contract" EXACTLY. And those people aren't going to read the myriad of communications the union writes. This is why we need better union education and expectations set during new hire training. You're not going to change the elders.
How many times do you need an immediate answer? Almost never. I could get on board with a hotline but it doesn’t fix “fly now grieve later” in the RLA. And like a previous poster said it’s like this at every airline under the RLA.
03-02-2022, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueMoon
That’s still not the panacea people make it out to be. The company could still break the contract even if you quote them chapter and verse they are breaking. If they interpret it differently in a situation than you or CE does you have really no choice but to fly now grieve later. I’m for 24 CE, but to think it would stop all contract violations is naive. It’s just not how the law works.
This is true. This type of thing works best with CE people who have long standing working relationships with crew scheduling supervisors and managers. When a pilot has an issue and CS won’t resolve it, the pilot emails CE with details. Then CE and the pilot decide if there is an issue. If so, CE calls the crew scheduling supervisor on a private line and discuss it and hopefully get it resolved. If not, fly now grieve later but at least the process has been taken to it’s conclusion with CE in the loop. This is how it worked at my previous and most of the time it was resolved in real time.
03-02-2022, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
This is true. This type of thing works best with CE people who have long standing working relationships with crew scheduling supervisors and managers. When a pilot has an issue and CS won’t resolve it, the pilot emails CE with details. Then CE and the pilot decide if there is an issue. If so, CE calls the crew scheduling supervisor on a private line and discuss it and hopefully get it resolved. If not, fly now grieve later but at least the process has been taken to it’s conclusion with CE in the loop. This is how it worked at my previous and most of the time it was resolved in real time.
