BrianH

How do you feel about the new tone of the MEC Chair's letter and the NC Committee's letters lately?

Do you feel like our union leadership is turning in the right direction? Are you in support of the changes away from sit and wait, to action and away from PSPP towards improving our FAE?

I for one am happy to see this turn of events. These are steps in the right direction. Now if we can just get them to lead a bit more, we might have a chance.

kronan

For 2+ years Our Union has been saying PSPP isn't part of the plan. There have been numerous messages outlining our Goals that are inconsistent with the PSPP proposal management rejected 3+ years ago.
But NOW, you finally believe them. That what our NC is working for is Restoring our Income Replacement Ratio versus simply stabilizing it.

And it's not over by a long shot.
Still, I'm willing to wait for however long it takes. And if, we reach the point where we can actually TAKE action as a Union...well, my financial house is in order so I'm ready for that as well. Just because I think it's highly unlikely, doesn't mean "We" shouldn't prepare for it

USMCFDX

Really, when did they say that? If you ask you will be told that everything is on the table, including PSPP under the new name of course. You can talk a percentage of FAE all you want but they use PSPP as part of that formula. All you need to do to verify it is still on the table is ask your rep are we are still paying a certain inventor of the pancake plan.

HvypurplePylot

I’ve been here less than 6 years and it’s still early but this by far the best MEC leadership I’ve seen from a communication standpoint.

kwri10s

When they say management is pursuing the "retirement benefit structures associated with now defunct and bankrupt carriers", they mean that the company is making improvement offers to the A plan and/or the B plan. Those are the retirement plans that all carriers had prior to 911. Our negotiating team is saying that the company offering improvement to the A plan and/or B plan is not what they are pursuing. There is no other retirement benefit structures associated with now defunct and bankrupt carriers. No one else had any other retirement plan. There was profit sharing but that is not a retirement benefit, but an income benefit.

Look it's the emperors new retirement plan.

Noworkallplay

They are saying the company is making proposals with frozen A plans or no A plans. That is what happened in the bankruptcy era.

WearyEyed

If you actually listened to the PUB call then you’d know they said that the company is only proposing post bankruptcy retirement plans from passenger carriers. They clearly stated that the company wants no A plan and B plan improvements similar to AA, UAL, and DAL. They also stated that the proposal from management is worse for our pilots than our current combo of the A and B plan that we have today. The company has been making record profits throughout the pandemic and they are asking for concessions with work rules, scope, and retirement.

The NC also stated that the union is seeking A plan improvements but I will concede that they have said anything is on the table to get retirement improvements in previous calls.

JunkyardDog

Brian,
I wish I had the same interpretation you did. I believe NC is still pursuing some form of pancake plan. That’s a hard NO vote for me.
The comms seem to indicate a change in tone, but I remain skeptical.
Why hasn’t there been any info about crew notifications for open trips?

Noworkallplay

It has become abundantly clear we have a few moles on this forum. Spreading misinformation and statements in conflict with recent communications I have read.

False statement 1 from poster previously. That the company has proposed an A plan increase. NC communication from November states “What management doesn’t want you to hear is that they made a proposal that is ultimately rooted in bankruptcy era contracts at other properties that place all the retirement risks on pilots. Management certainly will not want you to hear about their vision of commencing a new, cheaper era for pilot retirement benefits. That’s just the start of what they don’t want you to hear.” This infers the company is proposing a pension freeze. That is what all airlines that previously had them ended up with after the bankruptcy era.

False statement 2 is that open time crew notifications or emails have not been addressed. From a communication a few months ago “Many have concerns in regards to the draft notifications they have received via email and crew notifications and whether it is in compliance with the CBA. Contract Enforcement is looking into it currently. Know your contract and your rights.” Last weeks positive rate also announced a grievance has been filed on this topic of draft OT being assigned outside CBA language. The most recent Chairman letter/PUB call (last week) also said they are aware of Chief pilots calling crewmembers and to contact the union ASAP if this occurs to you.

It disgusting to watch a few management stooges or wannabes attempt to spread lies and deceit. If we follow them we will most definitely be in for 3 years of negotiations and minimal gains.

One thing that has become abundantly clear is our pilot groups inability to actually participate and fly the contract. Its the tool we have as labor. Many are to concerned with personal enrichment and could care less about a contract. They say they care, but actions speak 1,000 words.

BrianH

It is interesting to watch this thread and it speaks to the concerns our members.

All I was saying is there is a shift in comms from the union. I believe our union is turning in the right direction, finally.

As for the rest of the chaff, Well that is what chaff does.


About the offers, ask your reps. Please.


Crew notifications and calls from fleet captains has been addressed. File a DART so the union can capture the info.