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pinseeker 08-02-2022 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by FedEx Pilot (Post 3471717)
8.A.5. Higher class is authorized. They may only be required to book you in biz due to it having a lie flat seat, but FC is authorized if that aircraft offers it.

First, it doesn't say that they can only book you in biz if lie flat seats are available nor does it say that first class is authorized if the aircraft offers it.

Read a little further.

8.A.5.c.ii If a higher class of service is authorized on a deadhead with less than 10 scheduled block hours, such service shall be booked in Business or First Class at the Company’s option

FedEx Pilot 08-02-2022 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3471727)
First, it doesn't say that they can only book you in biz if lie flat seats are available nor does it say that first class is authorized if the aircraft offers it.

Read a little further.

8.A.5.c.ii If a higher class of service is authorized on a deadhead with less than 10 scheduled block hours, such service shall be booked in Business or First Class at the Company’s option


Maybe that’s why I haven’t run into that problem, the flights I exercise this option on are JL, EK, SQ across the ocean with 10+ block.

Noworkallplay 08-02-2022 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3471581)
Well, you can't just upgrade your seat with deviation bank money either. There is a form to fill out for an upgrade request and you have to pay the difference in the upgrade yourself. So again, where is the violation?

CORRECT!!! How can someone use “deviation funds” if they don’t deviate.

screamin jet 08-03-2022 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3471581)
Well, you can't just upgrade your seat with deviation bank money either. There is a form to fill out for an upgrade request and you have to pay the difference in the upgrade yourself. So again, where is the violation?

CORRECT statement.

ClncClarence 08-03-2022 05:15 AM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3471846)
CORRECT!!! How can someone use “deviation funds” if they don’t deviate.

Maybe true in the context of the original question, but this statement isn’t completely accurate. You can attach ‘deviation’ expenses to any trip, including those without deadheads.

cargoforlife 08-03-2022 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3471956)
Maybe true in the context of the original question, but this statement isn’t completely accurate. You can attach ‘deviation’ expenses to any trip, including those without deadheads.

Correct, our pilot group is a bunch of contract clowns. You read jetflyers and you can see why we get crap contracts.

ClncClarence 08-03-2022 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by cargoforlife (Post 3471995)
…You read jetflyers...

Hard pass.

Rock 08-03-2022 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by screamin jet (Post 3471933)
CORRECT statement.

Not correct. There are two classes of service in our contract. Coach, and “a higher class of service”. If you are legally booked in coach and want to pay for “a higher class of service” fill out the form and pay for it. “Higher class of service” is the contract language because some airlines don’t have first class or business class. If you meet contractual rules for a “higher class of service”, you can book yourself into any seat on the airplane that is higher than coach.

pinseeker 08-03-2022 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 3472086)
Not correct. There are two classes of service in our contract. Coach, and “a higher class of service”. If you are legally booked in coach and want to pay for “a higher class of service” fill out the form and pay for it. “Higher class of service” is the contract language because some airlines don’t have first class or business class. If you meet contractual rules for a “higher class of service”, you can book yourself into any seat on the airplane that is higher than coach.

I do agree with the OP that management denying mid trip deviations based solely on the price of the deviation ticket isn't supported by the language in the contract and should be fought.

While I wish what you said was correct, I'm afraid it isn't supported by the contract.

First, a lie flat seat qualifies as meeting the higher class of service for a deadhead. Even if that lie flat seat is in economy or economy plus, it qualifies as a higher class of service seat.

Second, there is a hierarchy of scheduling a higher class of service. Unless the deadhead consists of a single leg with over 16 hours of duty, only discounted first class tickets get higher priority than business class. So, if your deadhead is scheduled for 10+30 block, and the only fares available are full fare first class or business class, you will most likely get business class for the higher class of service.

Now, you need to look at allowable expenses for air travel. It only talks about expenses for deviation travel. If there is a section of the contract that says you can arbitrarily decide to book yourself in any higher class of service than was booked by the company without deviating as an allowable expense, I'd like you to point it out.

threeighteen 08-03-2022 12:49 PM

Again… it does not have to be written in the contract for it to be a status quo violation. If it’s written in the contract it would be a contract violation for them to change it. Because it’s a standard practice that’s being changed and not written in the contract, it’s a status quo violation.


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