Deviation bank
07-30-2022, 06:09 AM
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Deviation bank
Mid trip deviations are being denied when upgrading a ticket from Biz to FC because the FC fare is beyond an arbitrary, made up percentage limit by management. Really?
After dealing with a couple years of lockdowns, lengthy immigration procedures, company jumpseating, swabbings, immunization politics, hotel isolation, room service menus, etc., you would think that we should be able to spend our enormous deviation banks on a simple upgrade to FC. Pathetic.
After dealing with a couple years of lockdowns, lengthy immigration procedures, company jumpseating, swabbings, immunization politics, hotel isolation, room service menus, etc., you would think that we should be able to spend our enormous deviation banks on a simple upgrade to FC. Pathetic.
07-31-2022, 05:47 PM
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The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
07-31-2022, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
You did write practices. So does past practice count or not?
07-31-2022, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.
It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks
Yet the company can violate the status quo any time by changing deviation bank rules and the union just lets them do it even though its an easy suit to win...
08-01-2022, 04:35 AM
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Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
08-01-2022, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
Yes but when there is a practice that is then changed during negotiations, how does that work? Just as there is a practice of a certain amount of open trips picked up, if that practice changes dramatically, it can be a change of status quo, right?
08-01-2022, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Yes but when there is a practice that is then changed during negotiations, how does that work? Just as there is a practice of a certain amount of open trips picked up, if that practice changes dramatically, it can be a change of status quo, right?
08-01-2022, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Noworkallplay
Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.
Choosing not to do draft/ava is not a violation of status quo, but encouraging others not too or lambasting those that do can get you in trouble for status quo violations and harassment respectively.
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