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magic rat 07-30-2022 06:09 AM

Deviation bank
 
Mid trip deviations are being denied when upgrading a ticket from Biz to FC because the FC fare is beyond an arbitrary, made up percentage limit by management. Really?

After dealing with a couple years of lockdowns, lengthy immigration procedures, company jumpseating, swabbings, immunization politics, hotel isolation, room service menus, etc., you would think that we should be able to spend our enormous deviation banks on a simple upgrade to FC. Pathetic.

BertMacklinFBI 07-30-2022 04:37 PM

No soup for you. I agree. Ridiculous that they can all of a sudden impose this. The union is doing nothing about it. Submitted a dart, no actionable response. Just another roll over.

Merle Haggard 07-31-2022 04:48 PM

They're slow-rolling mileage payments pretty badly as well.

Goodwill just isn't really a thing.

If we don't need a pandemic LOA anymore, then when do the pizza parties commence?

Noworkallplay 07-31-2022 05:47 PM

The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.

Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.

It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks

FXLAX 07-31-2022 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3470676)
The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.

Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.

It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks


You did write practices. So does past practice count or not?

threeighteen 07-31-2022 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3470676)
The contract has language pertaining to mid trip DHD’s/deviation. It requires Chief Pilot (or his designees) approval. Seems like this would allow them to place restrictions on it due to it needing approval.

Status quo defined by the Railway Labor Act (RLA), status quo refers to existing pay, rules, and actual, objective working conditions and practices which were in effect prior to the time a major dispute arises.

It sucks, but not sure it is a contract violation. Most are happy to continue the stalled process we are in it appears. All or most trips getting covered. Must be minimal frustration within our ranks

A coordinated effort of picking up OT is not a contract violation but it is a violation status quo.... we'd be sued if we ever tried that without being released into self help first.

Yet the company can violate the status quo any time by changing deviation bank rules and the union just lets them do it even though its an easy suit to win...

Noworkallplay 08-01-2022 04:35 AM

Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.

Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.

FXLAX 08-01-2022 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3470794)
Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.

Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.


Yes but when there is a practice that is then changed during negotiations, how does that work? Just as there is a practice of a certain amount of open trips picked up, if that practice changes dramatically, it can be a change of status quo, right?

Thrust Hold 08-01-2022 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3470989)
Yes but when there is a practice that is then changed during negotiations, how does that work? Just as there is a practice of a certain amount of open trips picked up, if that practice changes dramatically, it can be a change of status quo, right?

Just ask the guys/gals at Spirit about their TRO in 2017.

threeighteen 08-01-2022 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3470794)
Its not violating status quo to change an amount when the contract says you can. They have previously placed restrictions on mid trip deviations also. The contract gives them that rite since it requires permission.

Choosing to not do draft/ava is also not a violation of status quo since the contract gives you that choice. A simple google search will turn up some good info on this topic.

Previously one could buy a first class ticket without doing a mid trip deviation and the expense report people would not care. Now they care. That is a status quo violation. The contract only gives them the right to change the approvals of mid trip deviation amounts but does not give them the right to change the status quo of no longer allowing people to upgrade to first outside of getting mid trip deviation approval.

Choosing not to do draft/ava is not a violation of status quo, but encouraging others not too or lambasting those that do can get you in trouble for status quo violations and harassment respectively.


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