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pinseeker 11-06-2022 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3527500)
Reserve availability isn’t rest. And what if you don’t check VIPS? I never did when I was on reserve.

Yeah, I get that. But he said they called the day before. If they called the day before, ie Tuesday for a Wednesday trip, wouldn't there have been enough time to notify him and release him for a legal rest? There just seems to be some additional information that isn't there.

yvdriver 11-06-2022 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3527379)
My apologies I missed the second part. Something seems amiss on the second revision and the inability to have that original DHD reinstated. I would be interested to read the INSITE and DART response details.

DART Response: Thank you for submitting a DART. Unfortunately once you deviate in the system, you are not able to undo the deviation. I realize your travel date has passed, so my apologies for the late response. I hope this response can help for future planning.

Not sure I should post the Insite response since it is from the company, but basically said original deviation should have gone away. To me, when they revise your trip, it is no longer your original trip. Deviate or not, should be treated as a new trip, but that's just my opinion.

FXLAX 11-06-2022 03:52 PM

Back End Deviation Ridiculousness
 

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3527522)
Yeah, I get that. But he said they called the day before. If they called the day before, ie Tuesday for a Wednesday trip, wouldn't there have been enough time to notify him and release him for a legal rest? There just seems to be some additional information that isn't there.


Ok, but still. A VIPs notification is not a legal notification if you never check it. And you shouldn’t if one is on reserve.

Noworkallplay 11-06-2022 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by yvdriver (Post 3527533)
DART Response: Thank you for submitting a DART. Unfortunately once you deviate in the system, you are not able to undo the deviation. I realize your travel date has passed, so my apologies for the late response. I hope this response can help for future planning.

Not sure I should post the Insite response since it is from the company, but basically said original deviation should have gone away. To me, when they revise your trip, it is no longer your original trip. Deviate or not, should be treated as a new trip, but that's just my opinion.

I would re-engage on the DART report. That response appears they didn’t realize your DHD was moved to a different day.

FrankTheTank 11-06-2022 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3527522)
Yeah, I get that. But he said they called the day before. If they called the day before, ie Tuesday for a Wednesday trip, wouldn't there have been enough time to notify him and release him for a legal rest? There just seems to be some additional information that isn't there.

They called me on a day off for a trip the next day that exceeded 16 hour duty unless I answered the phone and was released to showtime. The voicemail said it was a courtesy call and if I could log in and acknowledge…. Since when does an assignment get a courtesy call on a day off?

FrankTheTank 11-06-2022 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3527522)
Yeah, I get that. But he said they called the day before. If they called the day before, ie Tuesday for a Wednesday trip, wouldn't there have been enough time to notify him and release him for a legal rest? There just seems to be some additional information that isn't there.

My time off on a day off is my time…. R24 is the only reserve where they can call on a day off before starting a block. Which I honestly think is BS but that ship has sailed..

pinseeker 11-07-2022 03:44 AM


Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 3527733)
They called me on a day off for a trip the next day that exceeded 16 hour duty unless I answered the phone and was released to showtime. The voicemail said it was a courtesy call and if I could log in and acknowledge…. Since when does an assignment get a courtesy call on a day off?

Ahh, so it was the day before you started your block of reserve. Yeah, an attempt by CRS to get you to answer your phone and notify you so that you would be released until show. While it is not in the spirit of the notification process, it isn't a violation of the contract either. That is why it is important that we all know what we are required to do per the contract. Glad you didn't answer or acknowledge the VIPS notification. They were doing their best to fill a trip. You did what you were required to do. Surprised they didn't try to give it to an R24 pilot. Probably had them all in hotel standby!:rolleyes:

BertMacklinFBI 11-07-2022 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3527794)
Ahh, so it was the day before you started your block of reserve. Yeah, an attempt by CRS to get you to answer your phone and notify you so that you would be released until show. While it is not in the spirit of the notification process, it isn't a violation of the contract either. That is why it is important that we all know what we are required to do per the contract. Glad you didn't answer or acknowledge the VIPS notification. They were doing their best to fill a trip. You did what you were required to do. Surprised they didn't try to give it to an R24 pilot. Probably had them all in hotel standby!:rolleyes:

haha. As soon as I read R24, without seeing the line underneath, I thought the same.

FrankTheTank 11-07-2022 05:12 AM


Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3527794)
Ahh, so it was the day before you started your block of reserve. Yeah, an attempt by CRS to get you to answer your phone and notify you so that you would be released until show. While it is not in the spirit of the notification process, it isn't a violation of the contract either. That is why it is important that we all know what we are required to do per the contract. Glad you didn't answer or acknowledge the VIPS notification. They were doing their best to fill a trip. You did what you were required to do. Surprised they didn't try to give it to an R24 pilot. Probably had them all in hotel standby!:rolleyes:

I disagree.. I was not in the notification period yet they tried to call me to notify me of an assignment. Just because they used the words “courtesy call” doesn’t change the intent.

pinseeker 11-07-2022 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by FrankTheTank (Post 3527827)
I disagree.. I was not in the notification period yet they tried to call me to notify me of an assignment. Just because they used the words “courtesy call” doesn’t change the intent.

What are you disagreeing with? Do you think this was a contract violation? If so, then what section did they violate? The contract only states when you have to be available for notification, it doesn't restrict the company from attempting to notify you earlier.


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