Back End Deviation Ridiculousness
 

I understand once you deviate, you can't un-deviate.... Even on a trip revision? For example, BEDH out of IND. Original pairing has airline on DL IND-ATL-MEM. New revision. Trip now ends in BWI. New BEDH now BWI-ATL-MEM. Already deviated original trip prior to revision. New trip still shows deviation on second leg, ATL-MEM. Same exact flight from ATL-MEM. Called to say no longer want to deviate. Can't get home from BWI, but could've from IND. Told you can't un-deviate. Doesn't matter that it was a trip revision after you deviated. Same second leg means you are still deviated. Called duty officer, who spoke with manager in scheduling. Same response. Can't un-deviate. Go to sleep. Wake up to revision #2. Now end in TYS, spend the night, and BEDH on day off, you guessed it, TYS-ATL-MEM. Same segment from ATL-MEM, but now a day later (in day off), and a different time of day. Trip still shows deviated on second leg. Filed an insite and a DART. DART comes back agreeing with company. Can't un-deviate....even though trip revised twice, ending in a different location, on a different day. As long as any leg segment remains the same on your airline back to base, I guess they say you're on your own. Couldn't find anything in the contract or anywhere else actually stating on trip revisions you get option to deviate again or not, on Back End..... Insite comes back saying, huh, looks like a glitch, you should have had the deviation removed.... So which is it? Do you never get the chance to deviate again, or do you? Anyone with previous experience and anything in black and white on the rules, or where to find it? They require you to deviate 8 hours prior on domestic, but then can do whatever they want to you and you have no recourse? I understand guys not deviating on back ends, and just cancelling ticket, but I'm just trying to find out what actually is written in stone.

get the union lawyers involved with this at once. we cannot allow the company to establish precedent here. like chastain in nascar the company lawyers unlocked a new move. good for them. bad for us, because in this analogy we are the wall!

Why would you deviate prior to landing at your final destination in the first place? I never do until I know I made my deviation flight, for this exact reason. You are deviating from the trip not a specific leg was always my understanding. This is why the deviation requirement on a back and deadhead is not near as restrictive as the time required on a front end deadhead. I am not saying I agree with the outcome but don’t understand why an individual would deviate so early on the backend of a trip.

Never back end deviate.

I was at my final destination. They revised me and changed my final destination, twic, and the first one happened right after I deviated about to jumpseat home, while still on duty. I also get deviating from a trip, not leg specific. My trip was revised. The new trip wasn’t what I deviated. What stops the company from completely throwing out every trip and revising them to their liking if there is never any recourse. I know the argument about never deviating on back end. I’ve also heard IR reports get generated when you deviate less than 8 hours and call to deviate, such as boarding your flight home and making a call. Not sure if that’s true or not? Also, not every trip ends with legal rest followed by an airline. Some airline within a couple of hours of landing all in the same duty period. I’ve been burned when I was positioning to a trip and the other crew member never deviated, just left. I got to where I was going, and company said they couldn’t find the other crew member. They tried to revise that person but they took off without deviating. Not sure if anything came of it or not? Contract says 8 hours. I’m not saying to deviate or not deviate, just trying to see if there is something in writing saying once revised, whether it’s front, mid or back end, deviation is removed?

not the best advice in the current environment

All good points.

Softest union in the business. CE is worthless. Obviously there is established president un-deviating pilots when revised. They’re violating status quo AGAIN.

If you haven’t noticed by now, we’re at war for our quality of life.

which president is that? Obama?

It didn’t apply in this case, but internationally a pilot shall notify the company 60 hrs prior to showtime - 8.C.1.h.i.

That is an instance where you might need to deviate prior to landing at your final destination.