You also have to acknowledge that for every example like yours there is someone who was awarded an aircraft or base they didn’t want in BI and then have to wait two years before they are eligible to bid to a new aircraft and then wait an additional two years before they go to training. How long have all the M30FO’s who are finally scheduled to go to 777 training next year (maybe as late as Aug) been here?

You can call it doom and gloom all you want, but the simple fact to the OP is that yes, depending on timing and your initial seniority you can get “stuck” in a seat you don’t want to be in for four years while people behind you are going to the seat you do want

OP sounds like he wants LAX. Mad dog does go junior. Base transfer is likely easier (if you can hold it) than changing to a different wide body in mem. I know we revolve around memphis but some of us have different perspectives. That being said, I do sympathize with your argument.


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Yes thank you, I’m certainly doing that. And I have found without exception every line pilot I’ve approached to be gracious, generous with their time, and helpful, whatever their view. Whatever the issues (every employer has them), pilot culture is definitely not one from my observations and admittedly limited sample size. Appreciate the advice everyone.

I wish them luck. Depending on class relative seniority there may not be any 777, 767, or even MD slots available any where. The complete lack of flexibility is why the Bus goes junior in each class.

It’ll be interesting to see what positions are offered to the few new hires we have next year. With the union finally able to win the case and secure training slots for the 2020 bid the majority of the 777 and 767 ITU classes have been filled.

I agree with you that if you are a West Coaster OAK appears to be a great choice, if available

You are spot on. How junior is the plug at LAX?

Based on what I’ve learned and experienced already JS-ing with y’all, there is enough lift to MEM from CA that I’m good with a MEM assignment. But four years in ANC (might be a lovely place) is a risk I’d need to really assess. Had I a 9000+ SSN I’d not be worried, but I’m at the bottom end of that scale.

Appreciate the dialogue!

While I strongly agree with the sentiment the users here are posting, generally, I think 4 years for a base transfer is highly unlikely. Base transfers go quicker than seat movements. I would suggest your realistic timeline to transfer bases is going to be 1-2 years.

2022 hire is most junior.


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Isn't that the case with everything in life?

I see the pot you’re trying to stir, but as usual you missed the mark.

You know as well as I do that in a seniority based profession it isn’t the way it’s supposed to go.

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A monthly, seniority based transfer system would fix this issue. Previous airline had it. After the first month, it was a few pilots each month that took advantage of it and they were overwhelmingly super junior, the ones who didn’t get their base when hired. But pilots here don’t like change…