Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3548481)

Aren't we blessed that you all chose to come to FedEx after doing your research and knowing that we lag far behind other airlines with the goal of saving us uneducated pilots that came from the sandbox from ourselves. :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by BlueAvi8tor (Post 3549983)

Exactly, and WHEN the furloughs start to hasten again because of the deepening recession the legacy folks will be beating down our doors…again.

Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude (Post 3550039)

Two of the biggest issues I've found include lack of awareness when it comes to industry standard and lack of understanding of our own contractual language.

Originally Posted by BlueAvi8tor (Post 3549983)

Exactly, and WHEN the furloughs start to hasten again because of the deepening recession the legacy folks will be beating down our doors…again.

Originally Posted by pinseeker (Post 3549200)

Nice post, but a lot of half truths. ... Our contract needs improvement. The question is, are we willing to fight for it. Are you going to chase dollars, or quality of life? It seems to me, most have chosen dollars.

Originally Posted by nunyabiz (Post 3549226)

I also don’t get the 17% income replacement ratio, but I welcome KC to show his math..

Originally Posted by nunyabiz (Post 3549382)

So a few questions then:

1. Would you do it again?

2. What drove your decision to make the move?

3. Now that you’ve seen both what specific items do you like better and worse at each?

Not many people get to see both sides of the equation. Everything people know comes from “talking to their bros” not realizing that person is probably looking through rose colored glasses and failing to give the full story.

As my spouse once asked “do you think everyone you talk to is just telling you all the good parts only so that you go there and their seniority goes up as a result?”

Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3548107)

Had I known the legacies were gonna recover from 2020 as well as they had, I probably would have made a better effort to go there too.

Our contract is a sick twisted joke, and the insane amount of time it takes to change base/equipment/seat here is only one example.

A year ago things were looking great, but now the company has expressed that they have no intention of compensating us for the BS we deal with.

Anyone coming here, please be aware that the company can revise you on a trip an unlimited amount of times without major penalty (you might get 1-3 extra hours of extra pay, IF you are lucky, but not guaranteed).

You can also be extended 84hrs into days off (yes, THREE AND A HALF DAYS) at the end of a trip, even if you're a line-holder.

If you end up on a fleet that goes to China, you're going to spend a lot of time being exposed to carcinogenic disinfectants sprayed on everything and you will be locked in a hotel room with the only extra compensation you get being an extra $100 per 24hrs that goes into a worthless "bank" that you can't even spend on room service.

There's a lot of other areas of our contract that lag behind the legacies in a massive way and unfortunately our pilot group is not well educated on that. A lot of guys here think we have the best of everything because they haven't been paying attention to what everyone else has been gaining in their contracts. We do have some great nuggets like having a real retirement plan plus a B fund (which is capped pretty low btw), good vacation, no PBS, and a few other things, but as far as everything else goes, we're lagging pretty hard and our current negotiators aren't even asking for QOL right now. Just $$$ and retirement.

Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 3550277)

It was not my intention to post half truths or be misleading, nor divide civilian and military pilots. When it comes to quality of life issues, except for vacation, line bidding for the senior and our travel bank system (which is being attacked as I type), we lag behind other airlines and in some cases regional airlines. I don't mean to bring any disrespect to military folks, as I was one. Another posted stated, we don't know what we don't know. Also, pilots take pride in where they work so they are likely not going to tell you the bad. The problem with FedEx is that the bad is very bad.



I didn't do any math. I thought this was the statement from our negotiating committee folks describing the pension for someone getting hired today. For those retiring today, if you max the pension, the purchasing power of that money today is approximately 27% of when the A-fund was created.



1. Today, no way. I now understand what night flying has done to me physically. After a few years at a legacy I had never made over $100k. A bigger pay check and retirement is what lured me in.

2. The A-plan.

3. Things are different since I made the jump. The commuter situation at previous company was much more forgiving than FedEx's. Now that Delta is getting long callouts of 18-hours (unlike FedEx's joke of 24 hour callout which only apply to a few unlucky souls each month), that is a game changer. If I were a retired military pilot with a government pension in hand, I'd go to Delta, sit reserve in the comfort of my home working as little as possible. Pilots living on the west coast can sit long calls for east coast/NY airports while on reserve. One thing FedExers who commute don't talk about the commute is usually in the middle of the night or even a day before because of reserve rules. Yes you might catch some sleep on the airplane, but you're essentially up all night commuting. A good number of FedEx locations don't have electronic scanners. If jump seating, a security guard or FedEx ramper will rummage through your bags.

The elephant in the room for FedEx is Memphis. Most pilots are MEM based. On reserve, the reserve rules require you to be in Memphis. Memphis has fallen into lawlessness since the BLM riots. They lack hundreds of police officers. Vehicles in FedEx parking lots get broken into frequently. My second crash pad was burglarized twice before I moved out. It is a way of life here that you get numb too. A FedEx pilot was shot driving to work and everyone I know carriers a gun with them. This is why FedEx's policy of getting caught with a weapon is so dangerous to your career. You have to be 100% sure you don't have a weapon or restricted item in your bags. TN law now allows gun owners to drive to work armed and to keep the weapon secured in your vehicle while you're at work. FedEx hates that. FedEx legally fought the law but lost. FedEx wants you to come to work without the ability to protect yourself.

If anyone has any questions they can PM me.

Originally Posted by Noworkallplay (Post 3550585)

Delta AIP document say “18 hour callout for all long call reserve” not for ALL reserves. Have you seen the actual TA language? We currently have 24 hour callout for long call. How much do you want to bet they will have conversion language like we have?