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“Delta plus a nickel”
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I hope you guys are putting all this in the survey…
PS. Decrease the 84/36 hour extension. |
No hotel receipts for trip layovers. This is absurd, but of course the company saves money should we lose them, taking the money out of our paychecks!
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I agree that all of those items need to be fixed. The question I have is are we willing to start back at square one to fix them, or would it be better to fix the A plan now and have a 3 year contract and then try to fix the others. My reasoning for this is that if we start opening other sections of the contract, we will no longer be in expedited mediation. In fact, the NMB may look at opening many other sections of the contract as starting over at day one since the original agreement was to have focused negotiations of just a few sections. How long would it take if we had to start over. If we decide to move the bar on focused negotiations, how long would the NMB make us wait until they started the process of mediation that could lead to a release for self help. IMO, retirement was always the heavy lift. I think we can get this group to unify behind a focused approach, but a short contract. Try to tell everyone that we are starting over and it may be another 2-4 years until we get a new contract and I think behaviors will change, and not for the better. Just an opinion.
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
(Post 3553839)
I agree that all of those items need to be fixed. The question I have is are we willing to start back at square one to fix them, or would it be better to fix the A plan now and have a 3 year contract and then try to fix the others. My reasoning for this is that if we start opening other sections of the contract, we will no longer be in expedited mediation. In fact, the NMB may look at opening many other sections of the contract as starting over at day one since the original agreement was to have focused negotiations of just a few sections. How long would it take if we had to start over. If we decide to move the bar on focused negotiations, how long would the NMB make us wait until they started the process of mediation that could lead to a release for self help. IMO, retirement was always the heavy lift. I think we can get this group to unify behind a focused approach, but a short contract. Try to tell everyone that we are starting over and it may be another 2-4 years until we get a new contract and I think behaviors will change, and not for the better. Just an opinion.
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Originally Posted by pinseeker
(Post 3553839)
I agree that all of those items need to be fixed. The question I have is are we willing to start back at square one to fix them, or would it be better to fix the A plan now and have a 3 year contract and then try to fix the others. My reasoning for this is that if we start opening other sections of the contract, we will no longer be in expedited mediation. In fact, the NMB may look at opening many other sections of the contract as starting over at day one since the original agreement was to have focused negotiations of just a few sections. How long would it take if we had to start over. If we decide to move the bar on focused negotiations, how long would the NMB make us wait until they started the process of mediation that could lead to a release for self help. IMO, retirement was always the heavy lift. I think we can get this group to unify behind a focused approach, but a short contract. Try to tell everyone that we are starting over and it may be another 2-4 years until we get a new contract and I think behaviors will change, and not for the better. Just an opinion.
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Originally Posted by Corned Beef
(Post 3553866)
Im willing to wait as long as it takes. 100% retro. The longer the company waits, the higher my expectations become. And I’m a patient fellow. I’ve got lots of time left to live under the work rules we negotiate today.
That's fair. What about those retiring in the next 2-5 years (not me, I have a lot longer)? Do they get retro pay and retirement for the time we spend opening up other sections? You posted this about 8 months ago and seemed happy.
Originally Posted by Corned Beef
(Post 3401756)
What company: FDX
Where based: MEM Equipment: Wide body How have you been there: 1-2 years What's your schedule (including time it takes to commute): mixed bag, bid rsv but could hold a line. Can you drop your entire schedule? How easily: yes, as long as staffing allows it. What do you make (ballpark): $190/hr and our min average is 73/hrs a month. Usually credit a little higher than that. Do you commute: no. It’s normal to fly <300 hours a year here. I do mostly domestic flying and am home a lot more than I am away. Very high QOL, other than living in Memphis, with wide body pay. |
Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 3553875)
Show up with a TA containing concessions and watch it get voted down. The market changed quickly on Dec 9. Every single pilot I’ve talked to has indicated they would not vote for a TA containing concessions.
I agree! However, voting down a TA with concessions is way different than leaving expedited mediation to open new sections of the contract or re-opening TA'd sections. Do you know if/what concessions have been made? Did we give away something that we had? |
Originally Posted by pinseeker
(Post 3553876)
That's fair. What about those retiring in the next 2-5 years (not me, I have a lot longer)? Do they get retro pay and retirement for the time we spend opening up other sections?
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Originally Posted by UnusualAttitude
(Post 3553905)
Is this their first opportunity to improve Section 28? Is it your opinion that the rest of us should suffer work rule degradation to hurry along a Section 28 improvement for those who are retiring in the near future who haven’t secured any A plan improvements since 1999?
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