How to pass this TA with 50 +1
06-14-2023, 12:12 AM
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How to pass this TA with 50 +1
First, go back to the negotiating table. Start with Feb 2024 pay rates at a bare minimum. Add 15k to the recovery payments. Allow all new hires to choose legacy A plan or this new plan. Keep all of the “gains” in all the other areas. Delete all of the “gives”(LCA student lines, no Vac buy back without flying a full line, etc., etc.) and maybe, just maybe it would pass by 51%. Right now, it’s a 75%+ no vote. Our “gives” have been happening for the last 3+ years and still with these suggestions, they’re getting 777 and 757 pilots on a dime compared to the others.
06-14-2023, 01:34 AM
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[QUOTE=PeterGriffin;3650441]First, go back to the negotiating table. Start with Feb 2024 pay rates at a bare minimum.
I would add, delete the 15 year group and step down wages/hour and make it 12 years from the beginning. I think the pension should also start at the top, 338K and not step up.
I would add, delete the 15 year group and step down wages/hour and make it 12 years from the beginning. I think the pension should also start at the top, 338K and not step up.
06-14-2023, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by PeterGriffin
First, go back to the negotiating table. Start with Feb 2024 pay rates at a bare minimum. Add 15k to the recovery payments. Allow all new hires to choose legacy A plan or this new plan. Keep all of the “gains” in all the other areas. Delete all of the “gives”(LCA student lines, no Vac buy back without flying a full line, etc., etc.) and maybe, just maybe it would pass by 51%. Right now, it’s a 75%+ no vote. Our “gives” have been happening for the last 3+ years and still with these suggestions, they’re getting 777 and 757 pilots on a dime compared to the others.
06-14-2023, 05:57 AM
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Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
06-14-2023, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BoomerBus
Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
06-14-2023, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BoomerBus
Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
06-14-2023, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BoomerBus
Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
06-14-2023, 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BoomerBus
Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
06-14-2023, 11:03 PM
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 888
Originally Posted by BoomerBus
Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
The Company will be laughing all the way to the bank and we will be stuck with 2021 wages and substandard Retirement from last contract for 2 more years.
Wake up people!! Take what we got and address all the minor little issues, I.e. R24, AVA, etc with the next contract.
“Bird in hand better than two in bush”, “Don’t look a gifted house in the mouth”
The silent Majority
!!!!!YES!!!!!
Yeah, no thanks. The NC/MEC said they would give us an industry leading contract. They failed miserably. This one ain’t gonna cut it - not by a long shot. Back to the table.
06-15-2023, 12:59 AM
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[QUOTE=BoomerBus;3650505]Now that everybody has had a few days to throw their temper tantrums, let’s now let cooler heads prevail!
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
You posted in the wrong spot. You meant to be under fear tactics. If you are seriously legit, you remind me of all the guys who sold me out over a 27 year career.
If this TA gets voted down the amount of lost wages and lost retirement income for 2 years will almost be impossible to recuperate.
You posted in the wrong spot. You meant to be under fear tactics. If you are seriously legit, you remind me of all the guys who sold me out over a 27 year career.
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