God, I love it.

 

This is very true... I'm undecided.

 

undecided is a closet “yes” vote.

 

Just like saying "We're a 'Christian Business'", you don't have to tell me that, I'll know it when I interact with you.......

I personally get the cringes when someone says "In Unity".......

 

You'll notice most pilots don't care about APC or JF. People have better things to do. And voting on a social media poll hardly an accurate statement of what guys will really do. There's enough guys walking out the door voting yes.

 

and yet you're still here everyday posting on every thread. Lol. and the MEC is posting responses to social media threads. Totally looks like not caring.🤷🏽‍♂️

 

What happened Stan? You had a moment of reason right when the TA came out. You called it clearly as failing miserably to meet the NC's repeatedly stated goals (through coercive-narrative polling). At least I thought you did.

I assume you went to the Road Show and they changed your mind. You are right, it's happening. Just like in 2015. Fear is the great motivator.

When pilots read the numbers, new language, QoL changes, for themselves - they immediately realize, but particularly this time, after what many of our 777 and Mad Dog brothers and sisters had to endure for Fauci, Wu, Hu and the gang, that this potential contract does not meet what we are owed.

No executive in their right mind would sell away their Defined Benefit plan, for a scheme being sold with examples based on unrealistic returns. Pat has been selling us unrealistic returns for 4 years now! We just didn't know he was doing it, underhandedly like that, and yet we walk out of a Road Show with a change of heart and mind.

Beware the power of fear. The Road Shows are a real threat to getting this POS to pass by even a slimmer margin than 2015. Right in the company's sweet spot (we need lawyers like theirs).

Our NC is selling away many of our great little niche pockets of senior QoL, along with Scope, for payrate increases that still have our NB guys among the lowest paid in the industry, while already starting the division in retirement for the next round of negotiations. How are they able to do that to our guys here like Stan?, who walk in knowing the TA they read is dogsh!t, and then walking out the revolving door all starry-eyed and ready to vote Y for Pat.

 

Cause the crew force is buying what Pat’s selling.. Road Sales Show is working.. I bet these folks pay full price at the car dealership, but hey it’s got heated seats…. If they have to explain what it means, I know the FedEx lawyers are gonna run circles around that language. And how disingenuous of the NC and MEC to rename, rebrand and now effectively sell the “new” Pancake Plan! But hey, it only affects new hires; “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

 

Honestly, at the road show I didn't see fear used as a medium at all from the NC. They spoke fairly dispassionately about most of the issues and also said....If you're going to wear a "Vote No" lanyard, then part of the lanyard should say "Then what?"...That's kind of what I said when I hated the 2015 contract but didn't see a reasonable alternative when I calculated the time value of money and no specific alternative. I've been called a coward for that for 8 years by some of my closest friends so say what you want...not going to hurt my feelings. But seriously, we are in a business that requires risk mitigation, so if you're going to vote "NO", by all means you should have a path forward in mind other than "they will put more on the table"....you should have a strong grasp of the RLA process....describe the mechanism of what happens next.....who is involved, etc....you might convince me to vote no.

The only fear I've seen in the discussions has been promulgated here and elsewhere talking about scope and what the company "Could" do theoretically with certain language without rationally discussing how scope works and how the penalties work and the realities of wet-leasing with the FedEx business model. I'm not saying the new leadership is not the "Boogey Man".....but even if so, we need to deal with the threat to our careers without panic and that starts with listening to things you may not want to hear and then evaluating....not just dismissing and name calling like I've heard here.

 

Maybe because they are seeing data in black and white followed by a reasonable explanation and rationale about the language and what is and isn't included. As a matter of fact, there weren't a lot of people lined up at the microphones to ask questions except for a few who accused the MEC and NC of some things with a list of grievances without asking a specific question. One person said he was new, in-debt, and was worried about losing his job. The other questions were repeats from some of the same two people who kept getting back in line to argue the same point when the NC and MEC were able to respond rationally to their question.

At one point Pat was asked "it does not say that in the language...where does it say 'they can't do that'? Pat calmly said "Chapter 23 furlough" and then read the appropriate paragraph.....I think a lot of people in the room were suprised to know there was a whole chapter in there as they probably only looked at the TA which did not include Chapter 23 as it was not opened.....I personally had forgotten it had it's own chapter....so a lot of the scope discussion surrounding furlough etc and associated issues need to be read in conjunction with Chapter 23.

I could be wrong, but I think most people were positively impressed by the candor and transparency to the extend that their questions were answered....A lot of people I spoke with said that this seemed to be the least "Sales" job and more confident then in the past. From looking at the numbers presented including inflation, other carriers etc....It honestly looked to me like its the most evenly distributed fish food on the top of the pond. If anything....again....my demographic is probably benefitting less than others, but that's been the story of my career here with regard to LOA's and Contracts, but that is offset by the meteoric seniority I got in the beginning.

There were a few very good questions and answers....a few young guys were asking cash balance plan questions regarding vesting etc and were as if they were clarifying what they thought or getting information they needed to get for an informed decision. Very few pitchforks and torches, 1-2??. I may have read the well attended room wrong....possible, as I have very little social savvy (As evidenced by my posts), but most of the issues that seemed to be concerning folks were addressed by Pat and what I could see around me were people gently shrugging their shoulders, nodding, as if to say "ok....I guess that sounds reasonable, that's not what I thought it was"....So Pat's Jedi Mind Trick skills must be pretty good these days.....but I don't think so....probably the free food.

I'm sure others had a different experience....they should post here...could be enlightening .... at least more valuable than calling one of the head guys from ALPA Representation "some 90 year old dude"