I ran across this verbiage added to Section 12 of the TA (specifically 12.B.3.b.ix.):

ix. A trip (including any extension) assigned to a pilot during a base
hotel standby period shall be limited to no more than 36 hours (for
a trip scheduled to domestic parameters) or 84 hours (for a trip
scheduled to international parameters) into time previously
scheduled free from duty at base, unless the pilot consents to waive
the limitation.

I read this to mean that the company can assign a pilot on Base Hotel Standby a trip that extends 36 hours domestically or 84 hours internationally into their time off right off the bat. It doesn't even have to be an extension, just any trip that fits the foot print. If so, that is a huge concession. What am I missing?

 

You’re not missing anything. Our scheduling language is garbage.

 

I don't think you're missing anything. I read the entire TA, but was a decided NO after Scope, payrates and SMU (Stupid Make Up). I didn't go looking for more easter eggs of "gained efficiencies" the company will get with this TA. This above you posted is a big one, unless I too am missing something.

If this TA were to pass, be ready for the company to immediately set precedent on this new language.

The concessions are everywhere on this TA, and when looked at either individually or as a whole, they are about one thing: having our pilots fly much more, with a QOL established and trending, steeply downhill.

The company is taking from us on both ends with this TA.

Ask these questions at the dog and pony shows. Even if you are decided to vote this down, there will be pilots in the audience who are not reading the TA, and going by what the NC tells them to think and tells them to do.

 

HSBY is considered an assignment! That’s one if the things the union should have fought for in R24 and didn’t. Instead some geniass thought the best thing to do was change it to R16.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,

My Apologies. I should have been more clear and specific. i was looking at this from the perspective of Reserve. Now as we all know, in the current TA, you can not be given an assignment while on Reserve that terminates more than two hours into your day off. Yes, I know that once you block out, you can be operationally extended, even while on Reserve, but I am focusing here on what the company can do to you while you are sitting at home or in your crash pad - not while on your trip.

Now, in some domiciles (like Anchorage), Hotel Standby is almost exclusively assigned to pilots on Reserve (usually R24 but not always). It will normally be something like two or three periods of Hotel Standby somewhere inside your block of R-days. I will submit that with this new verbiage (that in the current TA only exists when referring to operational extensions), the company can circumvent the two hour limit associated with Reserve by simply putting you on Hotel Standby and immediately assigning you a trip that extends up to 84 hours (internationally) into your days off.

You think that important family engagement a couple of days after your block of R-days is safe because all the trips in open time terminate beyond two hours into your time off? With this concession, think again.

How do I know? The company tried to pull this on me a couple years ago. I had a week long block of Reserve, they threw in a two day period of Hotel Standby, and after the second day (while in crew rest, going back on normal reserve, and sitting at home), they tried to "operationally extend" me to block out the next day on a trip that terminated over two days into my time off. I called CRS and told them "hell no" and they backed off and put me back on Reserve. This new verbiage is loose enough for the company to abuse and get away with doing just that.

I too am a "no" voter and I didn't have to get much further than pay rates and bonus to make up my mind. Still, it behooves everyone to read every bit of this TA to sniff out some of the more hidden concessions flying under the radar that no one seems to be talking about.

 

[QUOTE=Iwa Washi;3661056]Ladies and Gentlemen,

My Apologies. I should have been more clear and specific.

You attend a roadshow watch the videos? You ask your rep about this? If you are coming to this forum for a clear answer other than, " the company is going to screw you", you are in the wrong place. No one here is going to tell you anything accurate or positive. Hotel standby is treated as trip and always has been. They could always extend you on hotel standby, this isn't new.

 

not for the initial trip assignment.

 

Untrue, which was the point of this change. Not saying this is going to sway anyone, but in the interest of accuracy it's probably worth mentioning. It really bothers me when people start making stuff into a problem when it's not. Under the current CBA, say a pilot had base hotel standby from Monday to Friday. He gets launched Wednesday on a trip that goes to Monday. Yes - that is completely possible/legal and happened multiple times to pilots during Covid when the entire HKG bid pack was published as base hotel standby. He is not viewed as "launched" on a trip by the current CBA calculations until the assigned trip shows on Wed. The standby duty on Mon and Tues has no bearing on the situation. There is no overage for the extra days Sat to Mon. Those are paid at straight time. There is no standard overage (150%/200%) until a SECOND trip extension after the first extension that ends Monday. This change in the TA honors the first trip extension with the same limits as any other domestic or international trip and ensures overage is paid for the first extension.

 

Adler, one of the few guys who always posts accurate info (unlike my WAG, above).

I do stand by my assertion, any vague language that sneaks its way into our CBA will be exploited by the company. The precedent is there.

Thanks for the clarification on the new language, Adler.

 

New contract language is not added unless someone wants to try something different.

Under the current CBA, a pilot ON RESERVE can not be assigned a trip that extends more than two hours into their day off - Base Hotel Standby or not. I'll take my own personal, first-hand experience on that over someone else's opinion. When the company tried that on me, I stood up for myself, defended the contract, and they backed down quicker than ALPA could answer the DART. With this new addition, the company will feel emboldened to press-to-test that again.

Now, I am telling you all that having the words "assigned" and "base hotel standby" combined with the current, stand alone operational extension language, all together in a single, additional paragraph in this TA is a really freaking bad idea.

But hell, don't take my word for it. Go ahead and vote 'yes" and find out for yourself.