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Originally Posted by TheBaron Deux
(Post 3671812)
2871 “No” votes.
That’s the easy part. I sure never saw 2871 people at the picketing events. Maybe some of you will finally show up. We definitely need more than 10% if we are going to convince the company we are unified. |
Congratulations to our pilot group voting in favor of stating loud and clear: TA1's concessions will not be ratified by our group!
I am so glad to see we finally grew a collective pair! Particularly with the Scope issues this TA presented under this new management. Without the road shows, videos, fear-based sales job from the NC, and the gold nuggets targeted at a very specific seniority sub-group, the vote more likely reflects 75-80% of our group in favor of continuing down the RLA path, knowing we will NOT vote in concessions. Not after covid, not after the $Billions executives have squeezed out through stock buybacks, not after our daytime flying pax bretheren for much less profitable carriers, are ratifying true industry leading contracts that do not require special math. Congrats to this group. As TC wisely said, no one can know exactly where this is going, but we do know we didn't agree to a divisive TA that pits senior vs junior. We will not agree to a Pancake Plan! Finally our vote said that loud and clear to Pancake Man!! So satisfying. (sorry for the cheap shot, but man, you did NOT listen to us not wanting your plan for YEARS!) Thanks for stepping down NC, it is the correct move. We will not ratify Reserve Rules that diminish our junior pilot's QOL. Nor will we ratify diminishing our senior pilot's QOL by becoming the first pilot group who does not get paid 100% while bumped for training, with a calendar to re-fill, or not, of his or her own choosing while contemplating at home with a beer in hand getting paid for 100% of his senior-as-**** FO line. We know we will not ratify any of that. That is true strength, and leverage. MEC's email says something along the lines of "we will reconvene in several weeks to see where we go from here". WHAT? How about the resignation process begins immediately, so that we know who will have to be recalled and who won't. Or better yet, I wait to hear from TonyC on what we do next. Which by the way, if he says yes to the next TA, I won't even need to read it. He is the one guy who has stood strong in the face of this campaign of pressure to conform to the NC's narrative at any and all costs. Truly, TonyC, who would be ready to walk away with a nice pension bump and a great career here, chose to stand strong and not leave a legacy of an airline job that is lower quality than he got to enjoy. In fact, he wants to leave it better. A true Unionist. Forward, together, with the unity and resolve this RLA process is distilling from our group. |
Originally Posted by FreightFlyer91
(Post 3671816)
Oh my god. The company doesn't care about the silly little picketing events. A bunch of those at the picketing events voted YES for this steaming pile of dung because they were gonna get theirs. The only thing that will move the company is the threat of a strike.
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Originally Posted by magic rat
(Post 3671661)
I want to thank UA, DL, and AA for paving the path and standing up for themselves also, they definitely had an impact on our process. Rising tide…..
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Bravo to this pilot group for remembering the sacrifices that have been made these past few years, and deciding to fight for what is deserved.
And BTW, has anyone checked on Stan? |
Originally Posted by TheBaron Deux
(Post 3671857)
So, I assume you won’t be showing up to picket? Just talk big on an anonymous forum. The “threat” to strike is meaningless without the unity to back it up; that’s what picketing demonstrates. And until the NMB releases us for self help (minimum 1 1/2 years) picketing is all we have. Flying your schedule is meaningless when you are 600-800 pilots overmanned.
The RLA process inclines us towards unity. That's what it's all about. This is the process. |
Originally Posted by DashTrash
(Post 3671862)
As a United Pilot, I’m glad you all shot this thing down!!! We just went through this process and it’s not fun. But it looks to be necessary??? Hopefully you all will clean house and get this management stooges out!!! One of our guys posted something on our forums that said one of your union representatives was asking pilots to change their no vote to a yes vote? That should NEVER be stated by a union representative!!! Everyone’s vote is sacred…. Good luck to y’all!!!
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Originally Posted by Linepilot63
(Post 3671863)
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And BTW, has anyone checked on Stan? You now see how our NC failed you by agreeing to put our pension bump in jeopardy with Scope and QOL concessions. |
Originally Posted by CloudSailor
(Post 3671864)
Baron, I'm sure we will have much, much stronger picket showings going forward.
The RLA process inclines us towards unity. That's what it's all about. This is the process. |
Originally Posted by Nordhavn
(Post 3671867)
Hopefully in 9 months we will have something worth voting yes for. If it had not been for your recent progress I think we would have ratified this piece of garbage TA.
Having said all that, Delta went through this in 2015, we went through this over the past year, so what I’m saying is change is sometimes necessary, but painful. I’ll be watching from the cheap seats and hoping for a great result!!! |
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