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Nightflyer 01-14-2024 01:03 AM


Originally Posted by Nordhavn (Post 3751373)
He probably meant that this is an issue only for a very small subset of FX pilots so nobody cares except the few guys DH'ing all over Tarnation.

Yeah, they said that about lie flat seats, too.

There are more DH's across all bidpacks then you would expect.

JustInFacts 01-14-2024 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 3751206)
What ugleeual said. Typically the threshold for an invitation is about $50k spend on United tickets in a year. For years and years, FedEx pilots have been invited into the program if they meet or exceed that threshold. This year, it appears no FedEx pilot was invited. At a minimum, 100 qualified with an average spend of over $75k. Meanwhile, non-FedEx pilots were invited to join with even less than $50k spend.
It’s purely a business decision in both directions. United has decided it doesn’t care about the revenue generated by a contingent high spending FedEx pilots. At a minimum, roughly $7.5 million dollars in 2023. Those FedEx pilots are asking “do you really want to do that?” If United says “Yeah, F you”, the next move is on each FedEx pilot who cares. American and Delta both have similar programs for roughly the same amount of money. So far, they continue to welcome FedEx pilots into their invitation only programs. So each pilot can make their own decision on whether they continue to fly on United, or take their travel bank elsewhere.

My guess, and this is only a guess, is that it has to do with the discounted rate that those tickets are being purchased at. This has happened before.

Freighthumper 01-14-2024 05:30 AM


Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3751411)
My guess, and this is only a guess, is that it has to do with the discounted rate that those tickets are being purchased at. This has happened before.

It is still money spent. Money that we have the ability to choose to spend somewhere else. Loyalty programs work for both sides. If they won't show us the loyalty another carrier will, then some of us will certainly be making a change.

sailingfun 01-14-2024 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 3751417)
It is still money spent. Money that we have the ability to choose to spend somewhere else. Loyalty programs work for both sides. If they won't show us the loyalty another carrier will, then some of us will certainly be making a change.

If you ran a company would you reward your most profitable customers or those who spent the most. They are different things.

Nordhavn 01-14-2024 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 3751417)
It is still money spent. Money that we have the ability to choose to spend somewhere else. Loyalty programs work for both sides. If they won't show us the loyalty another carrier will, then some of us will certainly be making a change.

I feel your pain but it is supposed to be an ultra exclusive club and they have made the decision that you water it down. Hopefully DAL and AA won't. Good luck.

Freighthumper 01-14-2024 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3751425)
If you ran a company would you reward your most profitable customers or those who spent the most. They are different things.

I agree with you to some extent. However, many of us are fully aware of this and intentionally book the highest fare classes, and avoid discounted tickets completely in order to get the highest status. I think there is more to this than some people buying discounted tickets.

Rock 01-14-2024 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 3751417)
It is still money spent. Money that we have the ability to choose to spend somewhere else. Loyalty programs work for both sides. If they won't show us the loyalty another carrier will, then some of us will certainly be making a change.

And that is the bottomline for me. Business is business and my (Fred’s) money will go to the business that treats me best. For me, that was United. If they don’t have a change of heart, it’s a no brainer to shift my loyalty. No point in spending more than what it takes to make 1k on United, if there is no chance at a higher status level. Especially when other airlines still offer that potential. And as has been noted, will match my status level at United with little more than a paperwork shuffle.

Overnitefr8 01-14-2024 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 3751003)
How do they know you’re a FEDEX pilot?

The flight attendants know. I was on a CDG deadhead last week in business class. Before we landed the FA asked how long I had in Paris and where I was going next. I thought it was a little strange of a question. So I said I'm only here for about 36 hours and going to EWR. I also told her I flew for FedEx. She said I know, most of you fly back to Memphis or another European city.

I have no distinguishing tags on my luggage or backpack saying I'm a pilot or work for Fedex. (Maybe it was the jeans and running shoes ;) )

Rock 01-14-2024 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Overnitefr8 (Post 3751446)
The flight attendants know. I was on a CDG deadhead last week in business class. Before we landed the FA asked how long I had in Paris and where I was going next. I thought it was a little strange of a question. So I said I'm only here for about 36 hours and going to EWR. I also told her I flew for FedEx. She said I know, most of you fly back to Memphis or another European city.

I have no distinguishing tags on my luggage or backpack saying I'm a pilot or work for Fedex. (Maybe it was the jeans and running shoes ;) )

Last month we had a mid trip deadhead on United cancel. I called the GS hotline to ask about alternatives. She said “I see your traveling with another FedEx pilot. Let me see what I can do.” I didn’t tell her I was FedEx and the other guy had no status on United.

Rum Runner 01-14-2024 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Rock (Post 3751460)
Last month we had a mid trip deadhead on United cancel. I called the GS hotline to ask about alternatives. She said “I see your traveling with another FedEx pilot. Let me see what I can do.” I didn’t tell her I was FedEx and the other guy had no status on United.

When Global Travel books your ticket, there is a remark at the bottem of the reservation that says you are a FedEx crewmember.


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