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max8222 11-18-2024 01:47 PM

Funds in a 401K, IRA which are tax deferred will owe tax if they are left to your kids. Not right away but RMD are required.

You have cash or other investment accounts the $13M is true. Primary residence is included. If you have a home worth $4M and it is paid off. The day you die assuming your spouse predeceased you, the tax basis will be set on the value of the home. They would get the full $4M tax free. When they sell it if it increases in value to say $5M then they would pay tax on the gains of $1M.

So passing a home is great tax benefits, especially if you had the home and your cost basis is low and you would have paid gains on anything over $500k.

Pilotguy21 11-18-2024 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by NuGuy (Post 3853360)
Yea, no, that's not how it works with the IRS.

yes it is. Exemptions with irs blessing are common

Pilotguy21 11-18-2024 06:47 PM

New video with NC Gustafson says the company won't offer early retirements because they would be losing yes voters. Y'all sure the pension isn't divisive?

Pilotguy21 11-18-2024 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3853422)
Funds in a 401K, IRA which are tax deferred will owe tax if they are left to your kids. Not right away but RMD are required.

You have cash or other investment accounts the $13M is true. Primary residence is included. If you have a home worth $4M and it is paid off. The day you die assuming your spouse predeceased you, the tax basis will be set on the value of the home. They would get the full $4M tax free. When they sell it if it increases in value to say $5M then they would pay tax on the gains of $1M.

So passing a home is great tax benefits, especially if you had the home and your cost basis is low and you would have paid gains on anything over $500k.

the kids empty your 401K, pay the taxes with the lump sum, and walk away with a crap ton of money they woulda never otherwise had. How is that a bad thing?

max8222 11-19-2024 05:52 AM

How about you spend your money how you want and let everyone else do what they want. You came here knowing we had a pension. Should have gone somewhere else if you wanted a bigger b fund to give to your kids. It is a pension not a trust fund.

180ToAJ 11-19-2024 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3852342)
No, they don't double the 401k contribution at Delta when they are out on LTD. There are also offsets to their disability. The disability payment is 50% of the highest 12 consecutive months in the last 36 months, minus any offset. The 401K contribution is their standard contribution at double the disability payment. So, if your highest 12 months equalled $250,000, and you were injured on the job and received $50,000 per year in workmans comp benefits, your disability would be $125,000 - $50,000, or $75,000. Your 401K contribution would be 17% of $150,000.

You are mostly correct, but workmans comp isn’t super common and kind of confuses the math. If you do receive it, it does offset the total.

Just to clarify, if your highest 12 months in the last 36 is $400k, you will receive $200k/year once on LTD. You will receive 17% of $400k into your 401k (at all stages of disability) until retirement age or back to flying status. The 17% turns to 18% in 2026.

Vidra 11-19-2024 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by 180ToAJ (Post 3853633)
You are mostly correct, but workmans comp isn’t super common and kind of confuses the math. If you do receive it, it does offset the total.

Just to clarify, if your highest 12 months in the last 36 is $400k, you will receive $200k/year once on LTD. You will receive 17% of $400k into your 401k (at all stages of disability) until retirement age or back to flying status. The 17% turns to 18% in 2026.


Please don't correct JustInFacts. Make him do the work.... but he's really all about "Noworkallplay".


Delta P.W.A. Section 26.C.3.b

If the pilot or the 13 B. 3. pilot is receiving long-term disability benefits, the pilot or the 13 B. 3. pilot will receive Company contributions to the 401(k) Plan on the same basis as a pilot on active payroll status, but using as earnings the amount of the disability benefit less income from employment that exceeds the calculated disability amount, if any, the result of which will be multiplied by two.

Vidra 11-19-2024 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3852342)
No, they don't double the 401k contribution at Delta when they are out on LTD. There are also offsets to their disability. The disability payment is 50% of the highest 12 consecutive months in the last 36 months, minus any offset. The 401K contribution is their standard contribution at double the disability payment. So, if your highest 12 months equalled $250,000, and you were injured on the job and received $50,000 per year in workmans comp benefits, your disability would be $125,000 - $50,000, or $75,000. Your 401K contribution would be 17% of $150,000.

I didn't mention offsets..... I said Delta's LTD wasn't capped at the IRS limits like it is at FedEx. So Delta pilots truly get 50% LTD. Meanwhile, FedEx pilots will only receive 50% of $350k in 2025 (once they transition down from 60% after two years). For a pilot earning $500k, that is a significant LTD difference of $175k (FedEx) versus $250k (Delta). All the while, a FedEx pilot receives ZERO 401k contributions while out on LTD!

Tuck 11-19-2024 08:07 PM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy21 (Post 3853493)
New video with NC Gustafson says the company won't offer early retirements because they would be losing yes voters. Y'all sure the pension isn't divisive?

that's not what it said at all. Did you even listen to it? It said they think a TA will take care of the overmanning and no need to offer early retirement. They've never offered it to pilots...ever...never even interested. Gustafson knows that.

FXLAX 11-19-2024 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3852210)
Have you done any real retirement tax planning with RMD? When you pass, your kids are going to thank you for leaving them a big tax burden.

Just for formation purposes, your first rmd starts on April 1 following the year you turn 73 and in 2033 it goes up to 75. Seems like it should be enough time to plan.


Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3852342)
No, they don't double the 401k contribution at Delta when they are out on LTD. There are also offsets to their disability. The disability payment is 50% of the highest 12 consecutive months in the last 36 months, minus any offset. The 401K contribution is their standard contribution at double the disability payment. So, if your highest 12 months equalled $250,000, and you were injured on the job and received $50,000 per year in workmans comp benefits, your disability would be $125,000 - $50,000, or $75,000. Your 401K contribution would be 17% of $150,000.

Delta: 50%, no cap, no offsets, DC twice the benefit amount, minimum payment floor.
United: 50%, cap at 50% of 1,026 hours, no offsets, DC twice the benefit amount.
American: 50%, no cap, no offsets, DC based on the pilot’s average monthly compensation.

FedEx: 60% (50% >24 mo.), capped at 401(a)17, offsets, no DC.


Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 3852347)
If you went to Delta now, you wouldn't have any control over the cash over cap money, it would go into a MBCBP. If you went to United, that money would go into a VEBA account. Guess what happens to that money when you die.

At Delta (American and United also), you can rollover the mbcbp the year you turn 59.5 and every year thereafter. Also, at United, until the MBCBP is implemented HRA/RHA spill from the IRS 401(a)(17) limit is capped at $10,000. Spill above that amount is paid as cash to the pilot. They are also asking the IRS to allow yearly selection of which account to spillover into.


Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 3853553)
How about you spend your money how you want and let everyone else do what they want. You came here knowing we had a pension. Should have gone somewhere else if you wanted a bigger b fund to give to your kids. It is a pension not a trust fund.

Yes, this argument goes both ways. I'm sometimes reminded of this when complaining about some below industry standard work rule. They'll tell me, well you knew or should've known the contract when you came here, or, then go apply at Delta. So I can turn around and say the same thing about the pension, you knew what the pension was when you accepted the job. No, everyone that came here should want to improve the contract, whether that is QOL, benefits, retirement, or scope. They should ALL be improved. That is only done by pilots here.


Originally Posted by Tuck (Post 3853863)
that's not what it said at all. Did you even listen to it? It said they think a TA will take care of the overmanning and no need to offer early retirement. They've never offered it to pilots...ever...never even interested. Gustafson knows that.

To clarify, he said, "At this point, right now, they don't want you to go out early, right now. Because when I get the TA, if you went and I got the TA passed your normal retirement date, well they just forfeited your yes vote. So both sides, we're going to be counting votes. And I think they're down to counting votes, sure. And because there's been a huge demographic shift since the ratification. And I think that's what's going on there."

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxgMsOGHC...GCpTnhaifSbYxm


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