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Originally Posted by JustInFacts
(Post 3893948)
1. So you don't have a verifiable source, only rumor. Hmmm?
2. No, you posted that in response to Max asking for a solution. So are you now saying that you don't think that is a solution? I am not self limiting, just making choices based on facts. I have stated that I was against TA23. It seems that you want to make decisions based on rumor and emotion. That is your choice. Personally, I think this fight requires more than an inflatable rat to win! The details of contract law are not for me to hash out. I pay a lot of money for professional legal representation when my contract goes on paper. |
Originally Posted by Cowpoke
(Post 3893516)
You make a fair point, thanks for sharing the information and perspective. I certainly hope that it was discussed and the MEC will offer our membership the what’s what. Honestly, the whole “scope thing” came out of nowhere. Just fell out of the sky at the 11th hour. It was something that “the young crowd” was highly concerned about, and the grey beards…..scope? Never heard of it. For the most part. Now, it’s certainly possible, if not likely that the younger crowd was on to something that the older crowd was whistling past. It’s also possible that it’s mostly a boogeyman that has thrown a nuclear bomb into our negotiations progress. What is absolutely true, and regrettable, is that the concerns were largely ignored by the previous NC and MEC. It was dismissed as sort of “those silly kids” and that was a colossal mistake. And now we’re all paying for it. The young crowd wants their purple ponies and they’re going to hold their breath and stomp their feet until the company provides them. The old guys are too old for ponies, and want a pension bump. The rest of us understand these positions, but mostly just want a fair pay increase and to have to work as little as possible. We’re well past cost neutral to the corporation at this point, and they are laughing at us all.
Would you consider block 1, 2, 3 and 4 to be junior or senior? If you believe them to be senior, we had 512 members from those blocks vote against the TA. We also had 500 of our most junior folks unable to vote. It is so easy to say the junior folks cost us a TA or gave us another opportunity. However, it is a certainty without those 512 senior members we would not have had a second chance at a TA. check the stats in CN’s email 7/24/23 Just like the rejected TA, we will need a bit of each (seniority) group to pitch in to get us ratified when TA2.0 is presented. |
Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
(Post 3893994)
Only a rumor to you. I got it firsthand from three different FO's flying with me the month after they were on a Europe line. I am willing to take statements from my FO's at face value. When they tell me the walk-around is good I don't consider it a rumor.
Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
(Post 3893994)
The details of contract law are not for me to hash out. I pay a lot of money for professional legal representation when my contract goes on paper.
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Flying disappearing out from under us.
It looks like a lot of what we used to fly will be gone by whenever we sign a contract. That would be harder to enforce than preventing such outsourcing, me thinks?
Get all the guys MEM based signed up for all the visas and staff the whole airline from there. Commuter policy and deviation need to improve. |
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
(Post 3894510)
So station management is sharing this information with US crews in Europe? Yeah, nobody every exaggerates or embellishes when talking about these topics, SMH LOL.
So anything you suggest in regards to the contract should be ignored, because you don't know how it would work, got it! So this time if the lawyers say this is all that can be enforced, you'll believe them? |
Originally Posted by JustInFacts
(Post 3894510)
Yeah, nobody every exaggerates or embellishes when talking about these topics, SMH LOL.
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What I have been told is that the 75 freight loads to the last remaining cities (HAJ, BSL, BCN) were roughly 37k a night. 73 freight capacity is 23k according to a google search.
Also just flew with an FO who was operating BCN-CDG. Word, as related from the AMT working the outbound BCN flight, is that everything FedEx related at the airport is going to be trucked out at the end of the month and his position, along with the ramp agent\load crew are going away. |
Originally Posted by kronan
(Post 3896260)
What I have been told is that the 75 freight loads to the last remaining cities (HAJ, BSL, BCN) were roughly 37k a night. 73 freight capacity is 23k according to a google search.
Also just flew with an FO who was operating BCN-CDG. Word, as related from the AMT working the outbound BCN flight, is that everything FedEx related at the airport is going to be trucked out at the end of the month and his position, along with the ramp agent\load crew are going away. |
Originally Posted by YellowBanana
(Post 3896267)
Uh, trucked where? CDG??? I mean what could possibly go wrong logistically with a 10+ hour drive? Hope they make the sort 🤣
you know what? I don’t think management really cares about the product. Just about bonuses, stock price in the short term and buybacks. They’d rickshaw it there if they could. |
Originally Posted by kronan
(Post 3896260)
What I have been told is that the 75 freight loads to the last remaining cities (HAJ, BSL, BCN) were roughly 37k a night. 73 freight capacity is 23k according to a google search.
Also just flew with an FO who was operating BCN-CDG. Word, as related from the AMT working the outbound BCN flight, is that everything FedEx related at the airport is going to be trucked out at the end of the month and his position, along with the ramp agent\load crew are going away. |
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