And a much more powerful, unified union.

You're crazy. TC was the ONLY leader to give an honest interpretation of the TA2023 despite it being against his best interest.

The company would never outsource our jobs, right?

SMH

At this point do you guys think the majority of the pilot group (51+%) just wish they voted yes for TA2023? After 2 years of still not having a contract do you believe the next TA will be much better than the previous? What was the big hold back on TA2023? I have a friend interested in FedEx and was just curious. I hope you guys get a great new contract you deserve and hopefully soon.

Probably not. Anecdotally I’ve heard several say that they regret voting no. The difficult dynamic we’re working with is that many of the folks close to retirement would like an increase to the pension (obviously), while many of the younger pilots are concerned about work rules and scope (which is quite reasonable from their point of view). At this point the voting structure probably favors the younger pilots, as we’ve had ~400-500 retirements since TA2023, and about the same number of pilots get off of probation and become eligible to vote on a TA. My crystal ball says if they ran the vote today with TA2023 as written, but updated pay rates it would probably fail (again).

Agree with Sled...and I would vote no again on TA1 even if I knew back then we'd be where we are today. Certainly nobody predicted the dumpster fire that some of the new MEC would bring, nor the self-inflicted wounds. But I'd rather be here with the POSSIBILITY of at least an industry AVERAGE TA2, than working under the CBA that TA1 offered. Now if only the the pilot group would actually start acting like a union.

buy everyone out of the pension and eliminate it. That’s the only way to unite young and old

I would entertain that option. What I won’t entertain is a possibly, maybe the same retirement that puts billions into the pocket of the company immediately. Has anyone ever heard of DRIVE. They want the money now, no thought of the future.

Yes, Give in. The pension pays almost $190K/yr if you go to 65. Your spouse gets half for life, yep, lets give that up.

6 million in a 401K making 3.5% a year gets you 210K a year…then your spouse gets 210K a year for life after you go…then your kids and grand kids and great grandkids get the entire thing after you both die…

o and we get a unified pilot group focused on QOL and pay scales only for every negotiation cycle for the next 30 years…

Not even close on 6 mill. You would have to be in an aggressive fund to make 6 mill. And who care about grandkids getting money, you'll spend it. And you won't have $210K/yr at 3.5%. But yes, sell out the pension. You'll give the company billions if not millions while making sub industry pay. But keep thinking anything other than a pension is a good idea.
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