Please go read my prior posts on this site and let me know if you still think I’m management. And no, not SM either.

You are so out of touch with our last three contracts verses the majors. They took it up the ..s while we had to fight to get improvements. Another false statement by a company plant.[/QUOTE]


2015 contract was cost neutral. Pay rates went up but overall value went sideways, if you don't consider loss of QOL considerations on our long term health and well being. Guys felt it was a lot of money, but they have to work longer and harder for the same compensation.

Posts that continue to divide and conquer. It's all about putting one group against the other group. And blaming "those guys." It's time the blame gets put exactly where it belongs: FedEx management. Once everyone starts focusing on that, we'll get an agreement. Right now, management (wrongly, I hope) thinks they'll be able to fracture the group enough to limp a substandard agreement with zero dollars added from TA1 across the finish line. Perhaps they are encouraged by the readily available ability to sow discord among the crew force with leaked "bad news" from the NMB, or evidence of "company good faith bargaining" in a PFC letter asking for "reasonableness." Perhaps they'll even float the ridiculous idea of recalling MEC members in the middle of this fight to the same willing dividers that spread the preliminary bad news.

If you're senior: you should be angry that despite your seniority to bid lines that you are entitled to hold, the COMPANY is freely extending you and arguably PLANNING to extend you more than three days. You should be angry that the COMPANY is withholding an agreement with an improvement to retirement that is ratifiable by a majority because they want to punish the group for refusing TA1.

If you're junior: you should be angry that the COMPANY refuses to acknowledge that they are outsourcing our jobs and wants an unfettered ability to do so in the future. You should be angry that improvements to work rules that might give you some semblance of control on your schedules are being met with obstinate refusal by the COMPANY to deal. You should be angry that after 4 years here, your pay isn't a whole lot better than it was after leaving that last job.

If you're flying a trip and maybe you really don't like the other pilot you're flying with...you keep flying, you follow the procedures, you do a great job anyway. You just need to get safely to the end of the trip. We do this ALL THE TIME. JUST GET TO THE END OF THE TRIP. You don't need to hang out with the guy you don't like once the trip is over. Get through the trip.

It's my hope that, rather than begging for some concessionary agreement that the MEC and NC will keep their spines steeled, and that the entire herd of cats that we are will unify behind the effort. The company WILL need an agreement. Financing new airplanes with labor unrest--not good. Enticing major customers with labor unrest...not good. Hiring pilots (and they WILL need to do that) as a company who has dragged their feet for four years and then offers a 40%-below-the-industry pay scale...good luck.

2015 contract was cost neutral. Pay rates went up but overall value went sideways, if you don't consider loss of QOL considerations on our long term health and well being. Guys felt it was a lot of money, but they have to work longer and harder for the same compensation.[/QUOTE]

So it was said our last three contracts were garbage and behind the majors yet you only talked about our 2015 contract?

There's nothing inherently evil with PBS, it's just a computer program. But you need to roll into it eyes wide open like you said.

It WILL give a productivity boost to the Company. There is practically no way around that unless you keep "touching trips" in place. It's biggest gain is in the month to month transition, where the company needs to stack reserves to cover trips that fall out. Sure, vacay, training, mil leave accounts for some, but all together it is still less than the benefit the transition coverage provides them. If you leave the touching trips function in, there is no point in PBS from the Company standpoint. They'll just continue jacking everyone around with the pre-published lines.

There is absolute benefit from PBS....the means to choose your own adventure, and not be locked into the drek the company publishes. That does nothing, however, if the trips are trash themselves.

If you are going to go down that road, there are a few things to understand:

1) The Company IS going to get a productivity boost. You need to absolutely extract that value in other places, and make it count.
2) You need absolute veto control over the PBS system, how it is programed, the rules, what system provider you use, the user interface, everything. You need the power to tell the company to pound sand with a kill switch, and have people involved every step of the way, and the Company needs to eat the cost of doing that.
3) Vacation and other absences is going to mean something different. Total days in a week or vacay period is what works or line bidding. For PBS, it's all about credit per day that goes towards your line obligation. Pay only for a vacation day means absolutely nothing.
4) Bad trips will still suck. PBS won't fix that. Different problem, different solution.

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The secondary bid system is a mess. PBS would be a nightmare.

plz go a few pages back to learn how to properly quote.

sigmund frog

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You feel better now? Guy hears a rumor, posts said rumor on a website designed around RUMORS and gets told he doesn't have a reflection. LOL. Ok.