I love how delicate you are in this post to keep 4A2C. I take it you’re junior and looking out for your best interest. May I suggest you put that same thought into our current pension plan. We all can win if we hang in there together.
Don’t be so press to get rid of a pension plan many of us would like to keep. We just want it improved just as you want the language in 4a2c improved.

I’m all for getting rid of 4a2c. But I know that will never happen sooooo we need to play damage control with it. Open to ideas

In that case be just as open to improving the pension plan rather than sunsetting it because it’s obvious the majority still wants it.

Here’s to another few years of negotiating then.

That’s the thing though the majority does not want it. I’ve moved on from the pension discussion. Not trying to start that again

I’d be careful treating assumptions as facts. You can’t possibly know most of us want to keep it. Most younger people I’ve talked to while at work would be okay getting rid of it.

I have never seen a group so willing to negotiate in public as the FedEx group.
Seriously. The company and their consultants read every single post.

it’s a disaster of a culture. no one can come together, no one knows how, every union leader is awful or has their own agenda or there is some conspiracy behind everything that they do or happens at the union. it’s old vs young, mil vs civilian, pension vs no pension, pax vs cargo, anti union vs unionists, draft fliers vs fly the line guys, company apologists vs non company men, it goes on and on. you’d think this place would have been through 100 mergers, much like American, with how screwed up the culture is. all this energy is focused on each other, all while being leap frogged by other airlines.

unfortunately, culture doesn’t change overnight, and it doesn’t seem like anyone really wants to look in the mirror and even inch their way in that direction. it’s a sad, sad example of how a union shouldn’t function. it’s gonna be the same for years until the ship gets turned. don’t see that happening anytime soon.

sigmund frog

Company did a great job finding independent contractors and I want mine now pilots. Must have hired Sigmund Frogs grand father the great Freud to filter and hire the groups you described.

exhibit A folks.

and yeah…hiring has always been awful here. now that the big secret is out (you know..the contract, culture, etc., is garbage), I’m willing to bet all the best will be beating on the doors at purple to fly a heavy once they spool up hiring again!

Freud frog