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Hacker15e 07-29-2025 02:35 AM


Originally Posted by Pilotguy21 (Post 3931999)
That’s the thing though the majority does not want it.

Repeating this statement over and over doesn't make it true, no matter how many times you do it.

max8222 07-29-2025 04:36 AM

You mean the loud social media 20% majority doesn’t want it?

Philmckrevis 08-08-2025 10:14 AM

Fly by Night podcast is out… Scheduling Chair talks about the manipulation… hope everyone gives it a listen. Proud of the guys and gals holding the line… and shame on those who are contributing to the continuation of 4A2C.

EMBFlyer 08-08-2025 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Philmckrevis (Post 3936642)
Fly by Night podcast is out… Scheduling Chair talks about the manipulation… hope everyone gives it a listen. Proud of the guys and gals holding the line… and shame on those who are contributing to the continuation of 4A2C.

I laugh at the irony on how some of the more "vocal" burn-it-down hardliners suddenly have become calendar blockers...hmm...

FreightFlyer91 08-08-2025 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 3936694)
I laugh at the irony on how some of the more "vocal" burn-it-down hardliners suddenly have become calendar blockers...hmm...

You should check the calendars of some of your more "vocal" SM management brethern! The company was lucky to pluck such a kool aid drinker like you from AA after putting so much time in there.

EMBFlyer 08-08-2025 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by FreightFlyer91 (Post 3936708)
You should check the calendars of some of your more "vocal" SM management brethern! The company was lucky to pluck such a kool aid drinker like you from AA after putting so much time in there.

Aren't they, though?

You have an unhealthy obsession with my resume.

P-3Bubba 08-08-2025 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by Philmckrevis (Post 3936642)
Fly by Night podcast is out… Scheduling Chair talks about the manipulation… hope everyone gives it a listen. Proud of the guys and gals holding the line… and shame on those who are contributing to the continuation of 4A2C.


This is key and testament to the $hit hole that this company is and prob always was. What a joke to work here. My pay in my seniority at widebody in a 4a2FU line guarantee is less than a 1 year pay guarantee at any Legacy. There’s literally no reason NOT to leave. I hope those CJO holders hit the vested date and head for Z hills. F this company.

-Bubs

hemaybedid 08-09-2025 02:14 AM

I would like to add a little context. We are negotiating with a company that has been negotiating with itself for well over 20 years. They sat down at the table and gave the talking points to themselves (FedEx ALPA), and FedEx ALPA attempted to scare everyone into voting yes. Their biggest and most successful selling points have always been a big payoff to those near retirement. And that is why the mantra of “what are you willing to give up for that” has always been a part of this place.

The funny thing is, even when we started negotiations early in 2021, the industry leading pay our “MEC” promised us wasn’t promised by them. It was promised by their company handlers. They didn’t have the foresight to see how far off they would be. And yet they persist. FedEx pilots had sat on top of their brothers and sisters so long they couldn’t imagine a world where the industry righted itself. And then the industry proved FedEx pilots had been working for a fraction of what they were worth and **** work rules for decades. And when you work for a company that’d never do that, you lose decades of industry standard language to protect you. But at least you had W-2’s to lord over furloughed friends heads.

At this point, unfortunately, we are in a position where we have to teach FedEx how to have a union. That is never an easy process. But since they haven’t had to learn until now. Game on.

hemaybedid 08-09-2025 03:25 AM

TLDR. We are in a very tough place. We didn’t ask for it and weren’t sold it. But here we are. As much as I want to hate those that got us here. They’re only doing what they know… a very sad sad existence.

Philmckrevis 08-09-2025 04:43 AM

Education is definitely going to be an issue that needs to be addressed going forward for members and new hires. Especially to those who have not seen/been at an airline or operated under a union. Sorry to say but I’m surprised we haven’t started holding pilots accountable for answering the phone. For those who don’t know… this independent contractor bull**** is only hurting the pilot group and lengthening these negotiations. There is no excuse at this point.


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