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Old 10-18-2025 | 07:29 PM
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So you’re for not coming out of 4a2c? That makes no sense. And leverage has nothing to do with what an arbitrator may decide 12 months from now.
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Old 10-18-2025 | 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by HoursHore
So you’re for not coming out of 4a2c? That makes no sense. And leverage has nothing to do with what an arbitrator may decide 12 months from now.
We were coming out of 4.A.2.fu anyways. We should have delayed negotiating an end to it until after peak. We gave them a gift and we lost our leverage.
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Old 10-18-2025 | 07:39 PM
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Attention new hires, you heard it from me first.

The TA passed by 50.1%. We voted to end the A-fund for you. We also reduced furlough protection by ending 4.A.2.fu, which protected you from the company and other pilots.

You're better off this way.
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Old 10-18-2025 | 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
We were coming out of 4.A.2.fu anyways. We should have delayed negotiating an end to it until after peak. We gave them a gift and we lost our leverage.
We were? Is this something the braveheart 5 put on their telegram? What would we have gained by delaying? 3 more months of reduced pay for what?
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Old 10-18-2025 | 07:56 PM
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We were? Is this something the braveheart 5 put on their telegram? What would we have gained by delaying? 3 more months of reduced pay for what?
Have you rationalized why the company made such a quick deal to end 4.A.2? Remember the MEC Chair said they were not interested in doing so.

So why did they? Do you think they felt sorry for us?

Aircraft being parked for lack of crews. Schoolhouse isn't training any new students. Instructors were encouraged and are flying the line to keep planes filled during peak. Our manning is screwed up with people in the wrong seats. New 777s coming with no word on a bid.

We lost 11 junior pilots last month. How many more will we lose? They run the risk of retirements with a TA, losing people off the top and bottom.

They allowed the manning to get out of whack. But we gave them some hope with ending 4.A.2.
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Old 10-18-2025 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy
Correct. A 50.1% yes on a concessionary contract.

How many times did we hear from the MEC Chair during the past few weeks that we have leverage during peak? Then the NC negotiated away 4.A.2.fu and a good chunk of our leverage. We were gaining momentum with airplanes not flying.

Trust me, this is going to be looked back at as the moment we shot ourselves in the foot.
4.a.2.c was not leverage - unless you are the company. It had no bearing on peak whatsoever (more ridiculous language that was allowed in).

The company could have exited any time they needed and built fat lines, thus making airplanes move with no problem. They could have done this all along. They've reached the point where they need to. Please explain where our leverage lies. Going in, coming out, hiring, etc are all unilateral company decisions. They were just punishing the audacity of a no vote on TA 1.

4a2c has never prevented a furlough but it certainly has cost the crew force millions of dollars - and more.

Apparently many fail to understand that 4a2c was a goodwill, "we're all on the same team" clause designed to deal with a 9-11 type scenario and preserve FDX for everyone. Instead we have been repeatedly backstabbed with it. That's it. Goodwill violated, goodwill clause gone.

Good freaking riddance.
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Old 10-19-2025 | 04:09 AM
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Company can build lines up as high as they need to during peak without any influence on 4a2b. So they can cover flying, plus they can wet lease without penalty.

Getting rid of 4a2b was a good deal for the crew force. Company was saving over $5M a month off our backs.


If the five get their way they will drag things out, costing us $90M a month. What do we gain? They have no plan, 19 months with no bargaining or results. Expect more of the same.
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Old 10-19-2025 | 04:14 AM
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In an earnings call immediately following TA ratification, our founder and CEO called it, "contract neutral."

I believe what he actually said was "cost neutral."
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Old 10-19-2025 | 05:02 AM
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Contract 2015 did not drag out nearly as long as the current negotiations. So just think what they will say in the earnings call after we get a contract! Probably will have to reduce stock buybacks by $2B, but they save $5B in the last five years!
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Old 10-19-2025 | 05:07 AM
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So did the NC get any wording on furlough notices, recall rights etc? If not you’d think ALPA would have a template on minimum requirements for those scenarios…so the new green guys wouldn’t mess up.
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