Originally Posted by Stonewall (Post 4004720)

Spoke to members of the United MEC, and 100% confirmed that their FACT team was NOT ANONYMOUS! Just listened to the latest podcast and they keep telling us how valuable our FACT team is and how every other ALPA carrier had it. They did except they leave out 1 small detail that the other airlines' fact teams were not anonymous. I have darted my concerns with ZERO response because my questions to them definitely challenge their agenda.
Please Fedex pilots, use your own judgement and common sense. The powers that be are pushing this FACT team hard. While I do agree it is a great resource, IT SHOULD NOT BE ANONYMOUS. There is a reason they want it that way.

FEDEX MEC: IF YOU WANT TO GAIN OUR TRUST, STOP ACTING SHADY AND CONDESCENDING!

Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 4004733)

With Merle it is. Going to start calling him chicken little. Merle complain all you want about the path senior management is going. There is zero you can do about it except go somewhere else if you don’t like their future plans.

Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 4004733)

With Merle it is. Going to start calling him chicken little. Merle complain all you want about the path senior management is going. There is zero you can do about it except go somewhere else if you don’t like their future plans.

Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 4004812)

That is correct. You want their names so you can do a smear campaign on JF? I am surprised that one of the burn it down on the MEC have not leaked their names yet.

Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 4004843)

They put out an email tonight claiming that information has been withheld from them. If they leak it, then they lied. (To which we'd all be shocked)

Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 4004943)

They?

MEC? Council 22? FACT team? SM?

Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 4004969)

My response was in reference to the post I quoted referring to the "burn it down crowd", which would be our union saviors, Block 4 and Council 22. My God. What would we ever do without all of their contributions:

The charts
The graphs
The blame
The anger
The finger pointing

The only thing missing seems to be

*Checks notes*

A solution? A plan?

Originally Posted by Merle Haggard (Post 4004996)

At this point if C22 had credible information of an inbound nuke or full access to the Epstein files I don't think 75% would listen to them. You can only do so much of this crap before you are tuned out. Constantly being a loose cannon just isn't an effective way to be taken seriously (by most of us).

Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 4004997)

I agree with you 1000% on this one!

If Chris Turner were to tell me the sky is blue, I wouldn't believe him.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006170)

FACT: You will be bent over the nacelle in this looming TA.

FACT: Pay rates, the recovery payment and retirement will be below everyone else.

FACT: Leave if you’re junior.

Originally Posted by flares (Post 4006178)

FACT: None of what you posted is a FACT!
FACT: All of what you posted is your OPINION!

TRUTH: If you don’t like it here, you are free to leave - no matter what your seniority number may be.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006182)

FACT: All the above will become FACT very soon.


FACT: after 17 years here I cannot, in fact, just leave.


Thank you for your service on the fuct feam.

Originally Posted by flares (Post 4006220)

TRUTH: Only time will tell if your OPINIONS become fact or not.

TRUTH: You can leave anytime you want. You CHOOSE to stay for whatever reason, but it is YOUR CHOICE.

MY OPINION: Maybe, since you CHOOSE to stay here, wait until we have a TA to vote on before you start throwing your OPINIONS around as FACTS (they are not)…
or at least in your posts, state your opinions as your OPINIONS instead of calling them FACTS.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006182)

FACT: after 17 years here I cannot, in fact, just leave.

Originally Posted by BlueBuzzard (Post 4006265)

That's a not quite true. You can, in fact, leave as easily as the junior guy you're trying to convince to leave. You just don't want to because you'd have to give up your captain seat.

Originally Posted by BlueBuzzard (Post 4006265)

That's a not quite true. You can, in fact, leave as easily as the junior guy you're trying to convince to leave. You just don't want to because you'd have to give up your captain seat.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006163)

You couldn’t have said it better. I was kicked out very early on, and can only rely on the screenshots that make the rounds.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006182)

FACT: All the above will become FACT very soon.

FACT: after 17 years here I cannot, in fact, just leave.

Thank you for your service on the fuct feam.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4006337)

Nice try CT. I guess your block messages aren't having the effect you want. Weren't you kicked off because of your manifesto? Funny that the time frame that you say you were hired in is the same time frame that fedex paused hiring for a few years.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4006337)

Nice try CT. I guess your block messages aren't having the effect you want. Weren't you kicked off because of your manifesto? Funny that the time frame that you say you were hired in is the same time frame that fedex paused hiring for a few years.

Originally Posted by MemTrash (Post 4006478)

Whatever you say, DL.

Originally Posted by max8222 (Post 4004727)

Read the MEC email! The FACT team is not anonymous. Names were posted awhile ago.

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4006728)

Where? (filler)

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4007498)

(bump) Seriously, where is it posted?

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4007535)

There is no list, just max talking trash as usual. At least from an official FDX ALPA source that was disseminated to the pilots. There was a fast read sent on 2/18 that said the FACT team is comprised of people from various committees and there is, and has always been, a FACT team “distribution list” that only the MEC has access to. So there is kind of a list, you just can’t have it. Quite a confidence builder.

Originally Posted by P-3Bubba (Post 4007738)

Yeah the Union put out some real trash about how the FACT team are just losers who are there to fool you. You know they "really know" but won't tell us the truth.

Everyone knows. And people are saying. That the MEC are all going to get management jobs as soon as the TA passes. Its true. People say it. Not me. Everybody knows.

Its just better this way so the REAL FACTS (Earth 2) are hidden away from the pilots til its too late.

Back to your rabbit holes and reptilian moon colonies.

-Bubs

PS- Tin Foil hats are now available in the uniform store

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4007791)

I just wanna know who’s doing the fact checking.

Happy to listen to unbiased SME‘s.

Not so happy to listen to the bigger @ssh@ts on SM, or the tinfoil hat guys on JF.

The names matter.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seems like pot stirring and caring more about the messenger than the message.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

He says anonymously.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

There are other committees and teams that do not have a list of people published.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Who was on the negotiating support team? What about SPSC, they have a budget of over $1.1 million. I can't find the list of P2P pilots anywhere.

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seems like pot stirring and caring more about the messenger than the message.

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4008169)

Sounded more like someone who wants to trust the process, but is having a hard time doing it to me. There are plenty of messengers I don’t trust to deliver the message unbiased. It’s a valid concern, and the more people keep saying don’t worry about who they are, you don’t need to know, the more people are going to think they really need to know. Maybe someday we’ll will all trust the union again, but there’s definitely some work that needs to be done before that happens.

Originally Posted by Freighthumper (Post 4008169)

Sounded more like someone who wants to trust the process, but is having a hard time doing it to me. There are plenty of messengers I don’t trust to deliver the message unbiased. It’s a valid concern, and the more people keep saying don’t worry about who they are, you don’t need to know, the more people are going to think they really need to know. Maybe someday we’ll will all trust the union again, but there’s definitely some work that needs to be done before that happens.

Originally Posted by FedUpWilson318 (Post 4008271)

Trolling, or just really that dense?



So? How many of them appear to be hell bent on a 50%+1 contract?



No idea, and if it concerned me I'd ask. It doesn't. Having people tell me what's good and bad in a TA does. And if those FACTs come from the more prolific SM yes-men or JF 'pot-stirrers', I want to know and apply the appropriate amount of credibility to it.



Good reference to the strange paragraph that really tanked the current NC credibility for me. I want the current MEC and NC to succeed. And I want to trust them and the process. Moronic missives against pilots debating the pros and cons of TA'd sections don't help. Labeling people pot-stirrers doesn't either....but it does expose the yes-to-anything crowd.

Frankly this whole anonymous FACT team push and defense is bizarre. "Nothing to see here, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"

Originally Posted by JustInFacts (Post 4008118)

Seriously, has there been any bad information sent out? Have you tried to get a meeting with one of the team members?

Originally Posted by jackryan (Post 4005058)

You also gave up a metamorphic ton of seniority elsewhere