This TA a drag on entire industry
#11
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Maybe, just maybe, we should listen to what the NC has to say. Maybe we should formulate our questions and concerns, and present them to the NC for clarification.
I was a hard NO on the last TA, but after reading through this one, I’m 60, 70 percent in favor of a semi-hard YES!
My block reps sent out an email, in which they listed their pros and cons. Ultimately, they said that they were not in favor of this TA. They highlighted each section green for good and red for bad. Red’s bad, mkay. But even a cursory glance at their own analysis leans in favor of an amenable TA.
It has been a long road, and I have been down many. We left a lot of money on the table voting down the last TA. A lot of good people (and even some bad ones, few that they are) retired under the old formula. Folks that voted NO for moral reasons, seeing how they could have selfishly voted YES so as to secure a better retirement income. And yes, I am near retirement, and was with them. And yes, when the time comes, I would like to enjoy the fruits of my 23 years of labor. So back off anyone thinking that I’m only in favor now because I want a better retirement income. We all want this, sooner, or later. It’s one of the reasons many of us came here.
No, this is not my first post/reply. I was here before under an alias, said some things that I ought not to have said, and got a lifetime ban. But I am in therapy now. I have reconciled myself with God. And it’s a brand new day. Not just for this wild public forum, not just for my JOB at FedEx, but for me, my family, and the good of all people. Cue the eye rolls, that’s fine. I get it. I was an eye-roller, too.
Gather your thoughts and questions. Present them to the NC, and vote not only on what is best for you, but also what is best for all of the midnight zombies spiking their blood with coffee before lighting the fires for destinations unknown.
All the best,
JD
I was a hard NO on the last TA, but after reading through this one, I’m 60, 70 percent in favor of a semi-hard YES!
My block reps sent out an email, in which they listed their pros and cons. Ultimately, they said that they were not in favor of this TA. They highlighted each section green for good and red for bad. Red’s bad, mkay. But even a cursory glance at their own analysis leans in favor of an amenable TA.
It has been a long road, and I have been down many. We left a lot of money on the table voting down the last TA. A lot of good people (and even some bad ones, few that they are) retired under the old formula. Folks that voted NO for moral reasons, seeing how they could have selfishly voted YES so as to secure a better retirement income. And yes, I am near retirement, and was with them. And yes, when the time comes, I would like to enjoy the fruits of my 23 years of labor. So back off anyone thinking that I’m only in favor now because I want a better retirement income. We all want this, sooner, or later. It’s one of the reasons many of us came here.
No, this is not my first post/reply. I was here before under an alias, said some things that I ought not to have said, and got a lifetime ban. But I am in therapy now. I have reconciled myself with God. And it’s a brand new day. Not just for this wild public forum, not just for my JOB at FedEx, but for me, my family, and the good of all people. Cue the eye rolls, that’s fine. I get it. I was an eye-roller, too.
Gather your thoughts and questions. Present them to the NC, and vote not only on what is best for you, but also what is best for all of the midnight zombies spiking their blood with coffee before lighting the fires for destinations unknown.
All the best,
JD
#13
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Joined: Mar 2012
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From: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
From a legacy-pilot perspective, voting this in would be insane.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots on furlough, scope questions, and management-efficiency language mixed in, and people are supposed to clap because there is some retro money and a few shiny work-rule upgrades?
And let’s be honest, the retro for that amendable period is laughable. After being dragged out that long, that should not be the number that buys silence. One-time money does not fix trailing rates, and it sure as hell does not justify locking into a long deal that still leaves you chasing the market.
That is not how leading contracts get done. That is how pilot groups get managed.
The retirement options are interesting. Some of the QOL changes are real. Fine. But none of that changes the big picture: if you lock in a long deal that still leaves you behind, management wins. Period.
And it is not just a FedEx problem. Voting this in does a disservice to the whole industry, especially your brothers at UPS. Cargo pilots should be pushing the bar higher, not giving management a template for how to drag a group out for years, toss out weak retro, add a few selective improvements, bake in efficiency gains, and still get a yes vote.
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots on furlough, scope questions, and management-efficiency language mixed in, and people are supposed to clap because there is some retro money and a few shiny work-rule upgrades?
And let’s be honest, the retro for that amendable period is laughable. After being dragged out that long, that should not be the number that buys silence. One-time money does not fix trailing rates, and it sure as hell does not justify locking into a long deal that still leaves you chasing the market.
That is not how leading contracts get done. That is how pilot groups get managed.
The retirement options are interesting. Some of the QOL changes are real. Fine. But none of that changes the big picture: if you lock in a long deal that still leaves you behind, management wins. Period.
And it is not just a FedEx problem. Voting this in does a disservice to the whole industry, especially your brothers at UPS. Cargo pilots should be pushing the bar higher, not giving management a template for how to drag a group out for years, toss out weak retro, add a few selective improvements, bake in efficiency gains, and still get a yes vote.
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
#14
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From: FO
Originally Posted by StarClipper;[url=tel:4023256
4023256[/url]]Very well said, I couldn’t have said it better. Let’s hope this pilot group grow a pair and vote this thing down if it makes it past the MEC on Friday. The MEC should actually do us all a favor and send it back.
Sled
#15
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Joined: Jan 2020
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From a legacy-pilot perspective, voting this in would be insane.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots on furlough, scope questions, and management-efficiency language mixed in, and people are supposed to clap because there is some retro money and a few shiny work-rule upgrades?
And let’s be honest, the retro for that amendable period is laughable. After being dragged out that long, that should not be the number that buys silence. One-time money does not fix trailing rates, and it sure as hell does not justify locking into a long deal that still leaves you chasing the market.
That is not how leading contracts get done. That is how pilot groups get managed.
The retirement options are interesting. Some of the QOL changes are real. Fine. But none of that changes the big picture: if you lock in a long deal that still leaves you behind, management wins. Period.
And it is not just a FedEx problem. Voting this in does a disservice to the whole industry, especially your brothers at UPS. Cargo pilots should be pushing the bar higher, not giving management a template for how to drag a group out for years, toss out weak retro, add a few selective improvements, bake in efficiency gains, and still get a yes vote.
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots on furlough, scope questions, and management-efficiency language mixed in, and people are supposed to clap because there is some retro money and a few shiny work-rule upgrades?
And let’s be honest, the retro for that amendable period is laughable. After being dragged out that long, that should not be the number that buys silence. One-time money does not fix trailing rates, and it sure as hell does not justify locking into a long deal that still leaves you chasing the market.
That is not how leading contracts get done. That is how pilot groups get managed.
The retirement options are interesting. Some of the QOL changes are real. Fine. But none of that changes the big picture: if you lock in a long deal that still leaves you behind, management wins. Period.
And it is not just a FedEx problem. Voting this in does a disservice to the whole industry, especially your brothers at UPS. Cargo pilots should be pushing the bar higher, not giving management a template for how to drag a group out for years, toss out weak retro, add a few selective improvements, bake in efficiency gains, and still get a yes vote.
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
#16
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Joined: Mar 2026
Posts: 50
Likes: 14
From a legacy-pilot perspective, voting this in would be insane.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
You guys have been amendable forever, and this is the deal you are supposed to be proud of? A long contract, still trailing the legacies where it matters, with soft spots
That is not pattern-setting. That is surrender with better packaging.
#17
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Joined: Aug 2023
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Maybe, just maybe, we should listen to what the NC has to say. Maybe we should formulate our questions and concerns, and present them to the NC for clarification.
I was a hard NO on the last TA, but after reading through this one, I’m 60, 70 percent in favor of a semi-hard YES!
My block reps sent out an email, in which they listed their pros and cons. Ultimately, they said that they were not in favor of this TA. They highlighted each section green for good and red for bad. Red’s bad, mkay. But even a cursory glance at their own analysis leans in favor of an amenable TA.
It has been a long road, and I have been down many. We left a lot of money on the table voting down the last TA. A lot of good people (and even some bad ones, few that they are) retired under the old formula. Folks that voted NO for moral reasons, seeing how they could have selfishly voted YES so as to secure a better retirement income. And yes, I am near retirement, and was with them. And yes, when the time comes, I would like to enjoy the fruits of my 23 years of labor. So back off anyone thinking that I’m only in favor now because I want a better retirement income. We all want this, sooner, or later. It’s one of the reasons many of us came here.
No, this is not my first post/reply. I was here before under an alias, said some things that I ought not to have said, and got a lifetime ban. But I am in therapy now. I have reconciled myself with God. And it’s a brand new day. Not just for this wild public forum, not just for my JOB at FedEx, but for me, my family, and the good of all people. Cue the eye rolls, that’s fine. I get it. I was an eye-roller, too.
Gather your thoughts and questions. Present them to the NC, and vote not only on what is best for you, but also what is best for all of the midnight zombies spiking their blood with coffee before lighting the fires for destinations unknown.
All the best,
JD
I was a hard NO on the last TA, but after reading through this one, I’m 60, 70 percent in favor of a semi-hard YES!
My block reps sent out an email, in which they listed their pros and cons. Ultimately, they said that they were not in favor of this TA. They highlighted each section green for good and red for bad. Red’s bad, mkay. But even a cursory glance at their own analysis leans in favor of an amenable TA.
It has been a long road, and I have been down many. We left a lot of money on the table voting down the last TA. A lot of good people (and even some bad ones, few that they are) retired under the old formula. Folks that voted NO for moral reasons, seeing how they could have selfishly voted YES so as to secure a better retirement income. And yes, I am near retirement, and was with them. And yes, when the time comes, I would like to enjoy the fruits of my 23 years of labor. So back off anyone thinking that I’m only in favor now because I want a better retirement income. We all want this, sooner, or later. It’s one of the reasons many of us came here.
No, this is not my first post/reply. I was here before under an alias, said some things that I ought not to have said, and got a lifetime ban. But I am in therapy now. I have reconciled myself with God. And it’s a brand new day. Not just for this wild public forum, not just for my JOB at FedEx, but for me, my family, and the good of all people. Cue the eye rolls, that’s fine. I get it. I was an eye-roller, too.
Gather your thoughts and questions. Present them to the NC, and vote not only on what is best for you, but also what is best for all of the midnight zombies spiking their blood with coffee before lighting the fires for destinations unknown.
All the best,
JD
#18
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Joined: Apr 2026
Posts: 27
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I read that document from CT. Did you notice that a lot of his red (bad) areas were either unsubstantiated opinion or were also stated as green because they were better than current book. Take the change in layover disruption. He listed it as a red item because that is not what he thought the polling said, taking up several lines to make it look bad, but then put a few words in green stating better than book. So, a big blob of red, but quietly acknowledged that it is an improvement.
I appreciate their fighting spirit, but in my opinion this fight is over. we go at it again, and we lose. and while this TA may not be a knockout victory, it is perhaps a draw.
and I would like to apologize to you specifically for some of the things that I said to you via my alter ego.
ok. enough kumbaya, or however you spell it.
peace.
#19
IMO, the largest issue with industry contracts is the inability to achieve a 4-5% rolling annual raise. The one-time retroactive payment is probably managements most significant leverage tool. Half the Fedex pilot group has already mentally spent the +100k retro payment. This TA will pass because of that alone.
#20
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Joined: Mar 2012
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From: Two Wheeler FrontSeat
IMO, the largest issue with industry contracts is the inability to achieve a 4-5% rolling annual raise. The one-time retroactive payment is probably managements most significant leverage tool. Half the Fedex pilot group has already mentally spent the +100k retro payment. This TA will pass because of that alone.
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