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Old 05-07-2026 | 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandybeach
I know all the young guys are Ace of the base or king of Embry Riddle and would never make a mistake.
Or alternatively, maybe they just want the same opportunities that the folks ahead of them had. That's actually pretty freaking understandable.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 06:18 AM
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So they crap all over their fellow pilots, not everyone supports it.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 11:43 AM
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I'm 47. Twerps don't know what they don't know and will often have deeply misplaced priorities. Old guys are afraid to take a "risk" like using climb direct or descend now. Both old and young will get defensive in a heartbeat. So all are equally capable or crap, but in different ways. When it comes to stories "Back on the classic" and "My opportunities suck" are about equally interesting. What IS interesting is our rush to get ours at the expense of our brethren. We've seen it time and time again across accidents, negotiations, legal efforts, etc.

Try to be a person rather than an ambition-monster. We generally struggle in this regard. Retire at 65. Try to learn something from the old guys before they depart. Get away from the hotel fire pit and the bros.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandybeach
So they crap all over their fellow pilots, not everyone supports it.
It is really strange that you view a desire to realize an identical opportunity as "crapping" on someone.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Elevation
I'm 47. Twerps don't know what they don't know and will often have deeply misplaced priorities. Old guys are afraid to take a "risk" like using climb direct or descend now. Both old and young will get defensive in a heartbeat. So all are equally capable or crap, but in different ways. When it comes to stories "Back on the classic" and "My opportunities suck" are about equally interesting. What IS interesting is our rush to get ours at the expense of our brethren. We've seen it time and time again across accidents, negotiations, legal efforts, etc.

Try to be a person rather than an ambition-monster. We generally struggle in this regard. Retire at 65. Try to learn something from the old guys before they depart. Get away from the hotel fire pit and the bros.
Well put. Here’s what I don’t get: Who the h€ll wants to fly past 65 anyway? My plan has always been to go at 60 & I’m starting to contemplate bailing even sooner. “Optimizers” (in reality, sodomizers) are here to stay across the industry & schedules aren’t getting easier anytime soon. As I move into my 50s, I’m finding myself far more concerned with the health aspect of continuing this career into my later years vs making a few extra bucks. After all, what are a couple of houses, an airplane, a boat, etc worth to me if I don’t have time to enjoy them in retirement due to ill health or death? I think big factor in these latest pushes by the white hair crowd is that their generation seems to define themselves by their jobs/positions. They simply can’t see a day when they’re not running a cockpit. The job is the end all. Younger generations, not so much. Friends, family, & interests outside aviation are bigger drivers for them. While a good job, flying is still just a job & at the end of the day they’d rather be doing something other than making some executive rich at the expense of their health & personal relationships. Everyone’s gonna do what works for them, but I know which of those philosophies I identify with.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 02:21 PM
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After test driving retirement the last 6 months, I cannot imagine going a day longer than I need to.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by HoursHore
After test driving retirement the last 6 months, I cannot imagine going a day longer than I need to.
Well said MD guy. Agree.
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Old 05-07-2026 | 08:33 PM
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Merle, Calling them gramps, and other names is not crapping on them? Same if I called the young guys snow flakes, entitled punks?
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Old 05-08-2026 | 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Sandybeach
Merle, Calling them gramps, and other names is not crapping on them? Same if I called the young guys snow flakes, entitled punks?
Seems to me that the entitlement in this case lies with the older crowd. I'm older, have been in the left seat for a long time, and lived through the first age change. It sucked and I cannot believe that we're considering shafting another group.
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Old 05-08-2026 | 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Merle Haggard
Seems to me that the entitlement in this case lies with the older crowd. I'm older, have been in the left seat for a long time, and lived through the first age change. It sucked and I cannot believe that we're considering shafting another group.
Herpes can lay dormant for decades. Then out of the blue comes an active outbreak. Once the virus is active it can be spread.
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