Augmented Duty Periods 767 w/No Rest Area
09-09-2015, 05:16 PM
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I would think the future will have the 76 flying to both Asia and Europe, then crews flying 75's inter Asia and Europe and then flying home. The 11 will be used on segments where the 76 can't haul enough. The 11 does over 8hrs now with just the dog pad, aka, futon.
09-09-2015, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper446
I would think the future will have the 76 flying to both Asia and Europe, then crews flying 75's inter Asia and Europe and then flying home. The 11 will be used on segments where the 76 can't haul enough. The 11 does over 8hrs now with just the dog pad, aka, futon.
09-09-2015, 05:46 PM
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Right. And did anyone think the company would ever let the 76 go over 8hrs? The company line when the 11 was bought was the same issue, it wouldn't need a crew rest area. Now it does and the one on the airplane sucks. The 76 in my opinion, is going to be flying across the Atlantic once enough airframes are on the property. And look for the 777 flying ULR with 5 guys and doing two stops.
09-09-2015, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper446
...the 76 in my opinion, is going to be flying across the Atlantic once enough airframes are on the property. And look for the 777 flying ULR with 5 guys and doing two stops.
Exactly the concern with the company's gained efficiencies in 18hr final deviation checkin, giving up 1st class for lie-flat seats, HILO, etc... The company knows where we system form will be going with these airplanes, we don't. They have gained efficiencies in the TA that feel small now, but will dominate our international flying not too long from now.
09-09-2015, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper446
And look for the 777 flying ULR with 5 guys and doing two stops.
Sec 12 E.2. of the TA limits the Number of Landings in a Duty Period with a ULR Flight Segment to 1.
09-09-2015, 08:18 PM
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Yes, but you only get paid ULR rates based on scheduled block.
So, if you are scheduled to block 15:55, and you actually block 16:30, no money for you!
I thought ALPA had all the smart lawyers, and ALPA was going to "tighten up the language"?
How much you want to bet someone will block over 16 hours and not get paid ULR rates?
How much you want to bet the company already knows how they are going to exploit this?
Why didn't "our" NC put the word "actual" in the language?
More "hidden money" we will never see!
So, if you are scheduled to block 15:55, and you actually block 16:30, no money for you!
I thought ALPA had all the smart lawyers, and ALPA was going to "tighten up the language"?
How much you want to bet someone will block over 16 hours and not get paid ULR rates?
How much you want to bet the company already knows how they are going to exploit this?
Why didn't "our" NC put the word "actual" in the language?
More "hidden money" we will never see!
09-09-2015, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Nightflyer
How much you want to bet someone will block over 16 hours and not get paid ULR rates?
Same as RFO rules, sometimes you get one when actual block is less than 7:35, sometimes you don't when you block 7:36.
09-09-2015, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper446
Right. And did anyone think the company would ever let the 76 go over 8hrs? The company line when the 11 was bought was the same issue, it wouldn't need a crew rest area. Now it does and the one on the airplane sucks. The 76 in my opinion, is going to be flying across the Atlantic once enough airframes are on the property. And look for the 777 flying ULR with 5 guys and doing two stops.
09-10-2015, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by PurpleToolBox
We as a pilot group need to understand that the 757 is going to replace ~12 wide body aircraft over the next couple of years. There is going to be a significant decrease in the number of wide body positions.
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