FDXLAG

I welcome more VTOs. I think they will become very popular. Need 1 June off next year but couldnt hold it in the vacation bid, bid a VTO and use vacation.

busdriver12

That bothers me also, as I really don't think people are going to put in for reserve blocks in the secondary process, though it's possible. However, one can always protect min days off. For example, I wonder if it works that if you have several carryover reserve days into December. If you protect min days off, will it drop that massive ugly trip that you have over Christmas, or will it drop the reserve days.....or is it the futures scheduler's choice?

Busboy

Is there no discretion on the company's part to award that to you?

FDXLAG

(b) For a pilot who has no awarded vacation period in the upcoming bid period, this number is limited only by his remaining unused vacation credit hours, in 6 CH increments;

I suppose they could give you vacation on days you don't want. But there is no denying that we will have more control over our VTOs. We are 50% of the SLWG and if we don't like the results our MEC can say no.

HercMasterJ

I like VTO's. There just needs to be a limit to them... I applaud Section 25.E.4.b and the ability to add vacation days to our schedule outside of what we were awarded... And I very much like (if I'm reading this correctly) the ability in Section 25.E.6.c to slide and conflict vacation in the SWW. But again, the core issue is that it will only conflict trips awarded to primary line holders, and not secondary line holders.

busdriver12

Actually, I don't like some of that. I feel it is more likely that people will subtract vacation days....down to zero. Sadly.

CloudSailor

HercMasterJ,

You make some great points of the SLR system.

How is it that after 4 years of negotiations we do not have CLEAR, CONCISE language to be voting on for the SLR?

We have no software, nor vendors considered.

We have a complete failure by the company to improve the VTO (PBS 1.0) process to improve TRUST in the possible SLR process going forward. They've had more than a decade to make the VTO process the senior end of the bid pack, they have not.

Do you TRUST the company's lawyers to do the correct thing with SLR as we go forward? Once the MEC signs off on the final phase, the SVP of Flt Ops can implement it without our approval.

I would be happy to vote on something that is a known issue, fully explained, with the proper software, the limitations, parameters, and penalties in clear, concise language. None of that is really in the TA.

If ratified, we are rewarding the company's CRS tactics, and Future's tactics, with 20% of all R-days, system wide. As you said, once that door is open, there is NO GOING BACK.

Pakagecheck

So, I am better off not having vacation in December and hip pocket 12 days(72 hrs) and play the trump card when I get a VTO line. Christmas off. Perfect

Pakagecheck

Not sure what you mean? They actually use their vacation instead of selling it back? I don't see that as a problem.

pinseeker

First, I am sure the company will gladly give up the flexibility if we just say please.:roll eyes:

Second, how does extra money memorialize it more than the 9 years we have been working under the same language.